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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 05 Nov 2018 14:04

balkanguy44 wrote:
05 Nov 2018 13:31
Could you post the full picture?
Hello, balkanguy44

It's the well known imam group photo taken at the Glienicke Bridge between Potsdam and Berlin.
See Bernwald, "Muslime in der Waffen-SS", p. 51, or Lepre, "Himmler's Bosnian Division", p. 72.
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What about this handschar soldier? Name?
Hello, Huska

We generally advise against requests for identification of common soldiers and NCOs since there were too many of them and most of them remain unknown. The chances of them being identified are low and, in most cases, it would only be an unnecessary waste of forum space and members' time. I'm sure you'll understand.

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 05 Nov 2018 14:10

Hello, Ivan

Oh my.. it's that photo. I have it in my archive.
Thank you anyway!
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Huska » 05 Nov 2018 18:46

I understand Ivan


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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Huska » 05 Nov 2018 20:55

Here is a photo of Handschar members,I can identify Bernwald but not sure about those other three.
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 05 Nov 2018 21:44

Huska wrote:
05 Nov 2018 20:55
Here is a photo of Handschar members,I can identify Bernwald but not sure about those other three.
Source:Photobucket,probably from some book
Hello, Huska

I'm sorry, but I must correct you again: Photobucket is not a source, the same as Facebook, YouTube etc. It's like writing a "library". One more time: you should be specific. A friendly advice: try searching for more solid/reliable sources than those you're currently browsing.

The photo you asked about also appears in Bernwald's book. This was his caption:
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 05 Nov 2018 22:09

Hello,

The translation of the caption for all non-German speakers:” I have met three former soldiers, all members of Pionier-Battalion 13, in Sarajevo. They (the three soldiers) took part in the Villefranche Revolt (France, 1943) and survived. From left to right: Pita Asim, Šemso Alihodžic, Pita Šuljo and the author (Zvonimir Bernwald).”

I’m sorry for grammatical errors but English is my third language and it’s difficult for me to translate from German into English.
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Huska » 05 Nov 2018 22:12

Does some website count as a source
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 05 Nov 2018 22:22

Huska wrote:
05 Nov 2018 22:12
Does some website count as a source
Hello, Huska

“*When quoting from a book or site, please provide info on the source (and a link if it is a website)“ - AHF Rule

I think nobody will get angry if you can’t name the source (direct link, or the name of the webpage etc) one or two times, but keep in mind that you have to provide a concrete info on the source.
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 05 Nov 2018 22:43

balkanguy44 wrote:
05 Nov 2018 22:09
They (the three soldiers) took part in the Villefranche Revolt (France, 1943) and survived.
Note that "mitgemacht" is a tricky word. I'm sure that he meant that they witnessed or took part in putting down the mutiny and didn't participate in the revolt itself (they weren't mutineers).
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Does some website count as a source
Yes, but it depends on the site. Racist/extremist sites are not allowed.

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 05 Nov 2018 22:49

Hello,

A quite well known picture of the Handschar, but who is the officer first from left?
Caption: Soldiers of the Handschar Division (most likely Pioneer-Battalion 13) in May 1944.
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 05 Nov 2018 22:52

Ivan Ž. wrote:
05 Nov 2018 22:43
balkanguy44 wrote:
05 Nov 2018 22:09
They (the three soldiers) took part in the Villefranche Revolt (France, 1943) and survived.
Note that "mitgemacht" is a tricky word. I'm sure that he meant that they witnessed or took part in putting down the mutiny and didn't participate in the revolt itself (they weren't mutineers).
Yes, I think so too.
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Mujo » 05 Nov 2018 22:52

Thanks for sharing the Cossack picture. Im intrigued.
Im aware of cossacks taking part in the attack on Drvar in the summer of '44 but that happened in northwestern Bosnia. Cossacks had a presence there, but not in northeastern Bosnia (at least not from what I've read). The division may have crossed paths with cossacks on the Drava river (Margarethestellung) near Pitomaca in the latter months of the year. It might also explain the Wehrmacht uniforms since many units converged on that position to stem the Russians. The only thing off about the Handschar private is his M42 uniform.

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 05 Nov 2018 22:57

Hello, Mujo

Note that there is only one "Handschar" guy, so maybe the Cossacks simply took an exotic picture with him while he was visiting his family in their area, or something like that. It's most likely not a meeting of units, but an encounter of a couple of guys.

Hello, balkanguy44

The man on the far left is an NCO (not an officer).

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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 05 Nov 2018 23:02

Hello, Mujo

Yes, it’s possible. However, I have never read that Cossacks and Handschar crossed paths.

Ivan, your explanation seems to be logical.

I guess you don’t know the name of the NCO?
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 05 Nov 2018 23:06

balkanguy44 wrote:
05 Nov 2018 23:02
I guess you don’t know the name of the NCO?
No, sorry. If it helps, his rank is SS-Hauptscharführer and he's German (as the barely visible Sigrunen below his brest pocket indicate).

This is also him:
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(Source: "Der zweite Weltkrieg – Bilder, Daten, Dokumente", p. 407)

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