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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by balkanguy44 » 08 Mar 2019 14:50

Thanks DFrolov1992!
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by balkanguy44 » 09 Mar 2019 08:23

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Guys!!

A member of the Handschar with Cossacks! How can this be? Is this a real photo? I’ve found it on Facebook.. can’t remember the page.
Has anyone noticed the Spanish volunteer (“Blue Division”) next to the “Handschar” one?
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Re: Some SS "Handschar" photo-infos

Post by DFrolov1992 » 09 Mar 2019 09:21

balkanguy44 wrote:
09 Mar 2019 08:23
balkanguy44 wrote:
04 Nov 2018 11:12
Guys!!

A member of the Handschar with Cossacks! How can this be? Is this a real photo? I’ve found it on Facebook.. can’t remember the page.
Has anyone noticed the Spanish volunteer (“Blue Division”) next to the “Handschar” one?
Hi Bg44

Do you mean this photo? I'm not sure that this is a Spanish volunteer. The quality of the photo is too low to clearly speak about the belonging of a soldier. The place where this photo was taken is also unknown.
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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by balkanguy44 » 09 Mar 2019 09:55

Yes that’s the photo I mean. The overall quality of the photo is ok, but you are right it’s not so good.
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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 09 Mar 2019 10:40

It's not a Spanish volunteer arm shield. It's most likely an Eastern volunteer shield, possibly one of the Don (Cossack) ones. What is visible is dark colour in the lower part of the shield and (as far as I see) two lighter colours in the middle and upper parts, with an inscription (country/region name), on a dark background, at the top (it might be the Don Cossack shield with dark red, light blue and yellow colours). If it was a Spanish shield, there would be dark-light-dark colour combination with an inscription at the top. Again, not sure that it's a Don Cossack shield, since the Eastern volunteers had many similar arm shields.

See examples below:
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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by DFrolov1992 » 09 Mar 2019 11:31

Ivan Ž. wrote:
09 Mar 2019 10:40
It's not a Spanish volunteer arm shield. It's most likely an Eastern volunteer shield, possibly one of the Don (Cossack) ones. What is visible is dark colour in the lower part of the shield and (as far as I see) two lighter colours in the middle and upper parts, with an inscription (country/region name), on a dark background, at the top (it might be the Don Cossack shield with dark red, light blue and yellow colours). If it was a Spanish shield, there would be dark-light-dark colour combination with an inscription at the top. Again, not sure that it's a Don Cossack shield, since the Eastern volunteers had many similar arm shields.

See examples below:
armshield.jpg
armshields.jpg

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Thank you very much Ivan!

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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by balkanguy44 » 09 Mar 2019 11:36

Hello, Ivan

Thank you!

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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 09 Mar 2019 13:12

(Cheers, guys.)
Huska wrote:
05 Mar 2019 21:47
Anyways I found a picture from a reliable source,it's Beeldbank WO2.It looks like the soldier is making his bed,behind him is a picture of a "naughty woman" :D
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...but I don't think that's a naughty lady photo on the wall, although that's also the first thing that came to my mind as something typical of young men and soldiers. It's an entire newspaper page (notice the headline and long text on the side) with a photo of something that looks more like a sculpture. A "naughty woman" doesn't fit too well with the religious-propaganda story that the photographer was making at the time. So it's likely something asexual and more sport/art-oriented.
It's most likely this sculpture (photographed from a different angle obviously):
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Complete image: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-art-o ... 13240.html

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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by Huska » 15 Mar 2019 19:46

What is the original war time capiton for this photo? Source:Ullstein
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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by Huska » 23 Mar 2019 18:01

Hello,can someone Identify those people behind mufti and Salih Hadžialić?
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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by balkanguy44 » 23 Mar 2019 22:45

Hello Huska,

Left one is Husein Dozo and the right one is Franz Matheis.

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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by Huska » 23 Mar 2019 23:06

Thanks BG,do you recognize the people in the civilian clothes
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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by balkanguy44 » 25 Mar 2019 17:17

"Selo u Birču popaljeno od zloglasne 13. SS divizije, 1944." - A village burned down by the 13th SS "Handschar" Division. According to the description it was taken in the Herzegovina region in May 1944. It is false information I guess, or not?

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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by DFrolov1992 » 26 Mar 2019 10:29

balkanguy44 wrote:
25 Mar 2019 17:17
"Selo u Birču popaljeno od zloglasne 13. SS divizije, 1944." - A village burned down by the 13th SS "Handschar" Division. According to the description it was taken in the Herzegovina region in May 1944. It is false information I guess, or not?


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(Source: http://znaci.net/arhiv/fotografija/10604)
Hello BG 44

It is difficult to say which this particular village is. However, there are established facts that the division (and especially its Albanian unit) committed a number of brutal war crimes in the spring and summer of 1944

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Re: SS-Division "Handschar" photos

Post by Ivan Ž. » 26 Mar 2019 11:12

Hello,

According to Partisan documents, the 13th SS Division indeed committed a number of war crimes in the Birač area in early May 1944.

From a III Corps HQ dispatch dated 3 May 1944: "The 13th SS Division is horribly terrorising both Serbian and Muslim villages. In Majevica, Semberija, Posavina, Birač, hundreds of elderly, women and children were killed and slaughtered. They torch and pillage everything they find."

A dispatch dated 8 May 1944: "In Birač, they razed to the ground: the villages of Petrovići, Vlačići, Mrkajići, Savići, Zekić, Tepen, Gajevi, Vrelo, Gačići, Supčane, Pobedarje, Dole, Jasen, Šupljaka, Žeravice."

See: "Zbornik dokumenata i podataka o NOR-u" vol. IV, bk 25, pp. 639, 642 (and 643).
See also: ibid., bk 27, pp. 215-216 (including f.n. 9).

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