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Post by Askold » 24 Nov 2005 01:40

jopaera:
39/45 Magazine No 8
What is the official name of the magazine? "39/45"??? Is that the name, or do you just mean the year of publications? Amazing photos! Thank you for posting them.

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Post by jopaerya » 24 Nov 2005 18:26

Hi Askold

The magazine is called Magazine 39/45 from the Editions Heimdal
in Bayeux (France) and it was nummer 8 from 1985 .
It was a special edition about Osttruppen in France .

Regards Jos

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Post by Askold » 24 Nov 2005 22:39

Thanks Jos! Do you know where I can find one? I would love to buy this issue.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 25 Nov 2005 16:40

jopaerya wrote:Here some photo's of Nordkaukasisches Infanterie-Bataillon 835 in the Le Havre area
was on 19-04-1944 III/Jäger-Regt. 34 (L) of the 17 Luftwaffe Felddivision .
Photo's from 39/45 Magazine No 8
Aren't those Bergkaukasien members?
(or am I missing something...?)

Cheers,
Ivan

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Post by Michi » 25 Nov 2005 19:10

I know, this is a double post, but maybe someone is interested in a Luftwaffe Major with the Kindjal of the Sonderverband Bergmann.

I'm looking for informations on a Hauptmann later Major of the German Airforce.
His 2nd name was BAUMHAUER.
Hauptmann/Major BAUMHAUER was the only CO of the
I. Kaukasische Luftwaffen-Feld Bataillon
[~ 1st Caucasian Airforce-Field Battalion].
In April 1943 the I. Kauk.Lw-F.Btl. was incorporated into the Sonderverband Bergmann.


The following picture might show Major BAUMHAUER:

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EDIT:
This picture shows the Luftwaffe Major der Landwehr Dr. Friedrich BAUMHAUER.


MfG Michi
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Post by jopaerya » 25 Nov 2005 20:50

Hi Ivanwss

Yes, the are Bergkaukasien incorperated in the Nordkaukas-
Infanterie-Btl. 835 , I never seen on the westfront a seperate
Bergkaukasienbatalion .

Regards Jos

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 25 Nov 2005 20:53

jopaerya wrote:Yes, the are Bergkaukasien incorperated in the Nordkaukas-Infanterie-Btl. 835
Thanks.
That's what I thought when I wrote "am I missing something".

Cheers,
Ivan

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Very nice photo !

Post by kindzjal » 26 Nov 2005 19:45

And very interesting information !
I would like to thank everybody.

Best regards,

Kindzjal

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 26 Nov 2005 20:17

Here's a photo of Nordkaukasische Freiwilliger Mahmet Hadajukov,
published in "Signal" special 1943.

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Interresting book ???

Post by kindzjal » 27 Nov 2005 15:32

Does anybody know this book ? Is it worthly to buy it ?
Where could I buy it in the Netherlands ?

Bestreg ,

Kindzjal
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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 28 Nov 2005 15:53

That's a good book. You can buy some from axiseuropa.com

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 28 Nov 2005 16:09

Michi wrote:I know, this is a double post, but maybe someone is interested in a Luftwaffe Major with the Kindjal of the Sonderverband Bergmann.

I'm looking for informations on a Hauptmann later Major of the German Airforce.
His 2nd name was BAUMHAUER.
Hauptmann/Major BAUMHAUER was the only CO of the
I. Kaukasische Luftwaffen-Feld Bataillon
[~ 1st Caucasian Airforce-Field Battalion].
In April 1943 the I. Kauk.Lw-F.Btl. was incorporated into the Sonderverband Bergmann.


The following picture might show Major BAUMHAUER:

Image

EDIT:
This picture shows the Luftwaffe Major der Landwehr Dr. Friedrich BAUMHAUER.


MfG Michi
Hello Michi

Where is your sources?
Is this photo from a book or...??
Are you sure that Sonderverband Bergmann included I. Kaukasische Luftwaffen-Feld Bataillon in April 1943??
By documents from Freiburg, Sonderverband Bergmann in Crimea (April, 1943) reorganized and includes just 3 battalions:
Bergmann - I (Georgisch)
Bergmann - II (Azerbaidschanisch)
Bergmann - III (kaukasisch).

I think I. Kaukasische Luftwaffen-Feld Bataillon, was a part of Bergmann only in Summer 1944 in Balkans.

All the Best,
Eduard :wink:

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Post by Michi » 28 Nov 2005 17:02

Hello Michi

Where is your sources?
Sources:
# 1.) Rittmeister a.D Herwarth von Bittenfeld, Hans: Russian Volunteers in The German Army
Different notes (till 17th March 1943): From HGr A to Luftflotte 4
Different notes (till 31st March 1943) From HGr A to Befh Krim

Oberleutnant, later Rittmeister Herwarth von Bittenfeld, Hans was the Aide-de-Camp of the assigned General for Questions on the Caucasus (General der Kavallereie Köstring, Ernst)


# 2.) Hoffmann, Joachim. Kaukasien 1942/1943. Verlag Rombach. Freiburg i. Br.. 1991.

Is this photo from a book or...??
Source: Littlejohn, David. Foreign Legions of the Third Reich. Vol. 4.

Are you sure that Sonderverband Bergmann included I. Kaukasische Luftwaffen-Feld Bataillon in April 1943??
By documents from Freiburg, Sonderverband Bergmann in Crimea (April, 1943) reorganized and includes just 3 battalions:
Bergmann - I (Georgisch)
Bergmann - II (Azerbaidschanisch)
Bergmann - III (kaukasisch).

I think I. Kaukasische Luftwaffen-Feld Bataillon, was a part of Bergmann only in Summer 1944 in Balkans.

Some locations mentioned with the I. Kaukasische Luftwaffen-Feld Bataillon:
Piatigorsk
Essentuki
Kislodowsk
Kriwoj Rog
Bakhchisarai

I have found a discussion some years ago:

Michi = Michi
Larry = Larry D. (??)
Jarek = jarek g. (??)
Michi
Caucasian-Field Bn of the Luftwaffe? Any infos??
Thu Feb 6 02:12:40 2003

Although this forum is to be for the flying-units of the German Luftwaffe, I'll try to put in some questions about the only(?) Eastern(Caucasian) unit of the Luftwaffe:
(maybe someone crossed this unit)

I'm looking for any infos about the (only one??) Caucasian battalion of the German Luftwaffe.

The correct name was:
I. Kaukasische Luftwaffen-Feld-Bataillon / I. Kauk. Lw-F-Btl.
(~ 1st Caucasian Airforce-Field-Battalion)
It was attached to the Luftflotte 4.

Some villages or cities are mentioned:
Essentuki, Kislovodsk and Krivoj Rog

In April 1943 it was not disbanded, but transformed into the so-called "Bergmann"-unit.

a.) Who was the CO?

b.) What OOB?? (was it the same as the Caucasian battalions of the Heer?)

c.) What T&OE?? (was it the same as the Caucasian battalions of the Heer?)

d.) Which uniforms did this battalion wear???

MfG Michi

Larry
I. Kauk. Lw. Feld-Btl.
Thu Feb 6 15:37:57 2003

I have just one reference on this unit:

"3/43: assigned to Luftflotte 4; Heeresgruppe A proposes that the Btl. be incorporated into Sonderverband "Bergmann"; proposal accepted, and all of the 270 North Caucasian personnel ordered to transfer from Krivoi Rog to Bakhchisarai/Crimea on 26 March 1943; the Btl. had recently withdrawn from North Caucasia to Krivoi Rog."
(Source: NARA WashDC: RG 242/Microcopy T-311, roll 150 (Heeresgruppe A records), frames 585 and 847).

Comment: there are circumstantial indications that this battalion was used to guard Luftwaffe airfields, fuel dumps, etc., in North Caucasia prior to March 1943 and was evacuated from there when the Luftwaffe pulled out in February 1943. I have no information on its KStN or the name of the Kommandeur. The KStN may have been identical or similar to that of a Landesschützen-Btl. d. Lw., which were also used for guard purposes.

Larry

Michi
Aw: I. Kauk. Lw-F-Btl.
Thu Feb 6 18:46:18 2003

Thanks Larry!!

A short information shared is better than nothing shared!!

I have a small map showing that this Btl was stationed in Essentuki, just in the near of the HQ of Lfl 4.
(which seemed to be in the same village)


MfG Michi

Jarek
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I. Kauk. Lw. Feld-Btl.
Sat May 10 15:37:57 2003

Hi Michi,

Battalions HQ I. Kauk. Lw-F-Btl. was found in Piatigorsk.
CO of the I. Kauk. Lw-F-Btl. was Hptm. Baumhauer (1943).
CO - Hptm. Baumhauer, later (autumn 1943) major.
Soldiers of the I. Kauk. Lw-F-Btl. wore Luftwaffe uniformes with red collar patches and Bergkaukasien shield.

Regards Jarek

The loactions are from November 1942.

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Source:
Hoffmann, Joachim. Kaukasien 1942/1943. Verlag Rombach. Freiburg i. Br.. 1991.




MfG Michi

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 30 Nov 2005 13:19

thanks a lot! Michi
I find some in Moffmann's book (in the part about Bergmann).

So, will and the information in my new book, which I writing now.
However, can I order some rolls from NARA WashDC by e-mail?

All the Best,
Eduard

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Post by Georgien » 01 Dec 2005 02:10

kindjal

That book is only abour Armenische Legion in Neitherlands and story of Mamikon Manasian (how his son from Holland found his fathers family in Yerevan). If you are interested in NordKaukasuen and BergKaukasien legion then i would not recommend you this book. Eduardjan (Armenische_Legionar) likes it because its only about Armenians :) joke edijan :)

The great book about Caucasian legions is just published in Russian, Givi Gablianis book. He was one of the commanding officers in Wermacht Goergian Legion (White George).

I have some photos of Caucasians but unfortunatelly i forgot the source.
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