Ukrainians in the Waffen-SS & Wehrmacht

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Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division

Post by Zulu » 11 Oct 2010 00:31

Some photos of my grandfather's era in Rimini.
Then put more pictures of what life was like there. Greetings.
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Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division

Post by Zulu » 11 Oct 2010 00:33

More pictures from Rimini.
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Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division

Post by Zulu » 11 Oct 2010 00:47

The last two of this batch of photos. Greetings.
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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian

Post by Ordinary Canadian » 11 Oct 2010 10:47

Rob - wssob2 wrote:Hi Mike,
Apparently when the division's troops were interned by the British at Rimini, Italy in the summer of 1945, many were claiming to be "Polish" (hey, Galicia was a Polish province in the 20's and 30's, right?!) and thus not subject to repatriation back to the USSR as per the Yalta Agreement. The legal status of 14th SS members remained in limbo until circa 1947-48, when many were allowed to emigrate to the UK and other Commonwealth countries.
I am wondering if by this very fact that it could not be said that the group themselves declared they were something other than Ukrainan and should forever be viewed as such.

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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian

Post by Sid Guttridge » 11 Oct 2010 15:10

Galicia, the home province of most of them, had passed from Polish to Soviet control in September 1939. Having later fought against the Red Army, to return them to the USSR would have been fatal.

The Geneva Conventions stated that released prisoners must be returned to their country of origin. There was no independent inter-war Ukraine/Ruthenia/Galicia to return them to. They thus had to choose between their pre-war Polish citizenship, or their post-war Soviet citizenship. Almost all opted for the Polish option in order to be able to stay in the West and thereby survive. When they migrated to places like Canada they did not set up or join Polish societies, but organized their own Ukrainian societies.

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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian

Post by JamesL » 11 Oct 2010 15:14

I have to disagree with one of Sid's comments. As far as I can tell the Poles of Galicia were Roman Catholic. The Ukrainians of Galicia were Greek Catholic. That said, Gen. Shandruk is buried in the local 14th SS Galicia Division cemetery here in NJ. It is located at a Ukrainian Orthodox church.

Additionally, Galicia was a province of the Austria-Hungary Empire...the poorest province at that. Many people I've talked to locally - Poles, Ukrainians, Slovaks and Jews - trace their family to that province. They left around 1900-1910. They were lucky to get out.

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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian

Post by Sid Guttridge » 11 Oct 2010 15:32

The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, to which most western Ukrainians nominally belong, acknowledges the Pope in Rome as its head, as do German, Polish and other Catholics. The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is certainly not affiliated to the Eastern Orthodox churches, which disavow Rome.

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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian

Post by Melnyk » 11 Oct 2010 16:58

I have met hundreds of veterans of this unit - my own father being one of them and I would say in my opinion Remek is right on the button. Religious considerations or factions within the community counted for next to nothing. In Rimini there were both Greek Catholic and Greek Orthodox priests. What mattered to them was that most considerd themsleves first and foremost to be 'Ukrainian'.

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Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division

Post by Askold » 12 Oct 2010 21:32

Fantastic photos and thank you for sharing! If you have any more, please do post them!

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Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division

Post by 14thpanzerjager » 25 Oct 2010 02:25

[img]C:\Documents and Settings\Ehor Babiji\My Documents\My Pictures\rimini 47[img]

My father's I. D. card at Rimini.

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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian

Post by dralanbell » 25 Oct 2010 16:15

my father in law was one of these soldiers
he would never talk about his experiences
he was a very nice man, just a peasant caught up in something too big to control
i am desperate to write a book about his life but obviously am missing 1943 to 1947
is there anyone who reads this an expert who could give me the story during this time? PLEASE!!

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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian

Post by JamesL » 25 Oct 2010 18:55

Forum member Mike Melnyk is probably among the top 3 people in the world with knowledge of the Galicia Division. His book on the division is outstanding.

AND he lives in Jolly Old England.

Heck of a nice guy. Feel free to hit him up for a loan.

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Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division

Post by comanche » 25 Oct 2010 18:57

magnificas tus fotos zulu

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Re: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division ~ "Galician" or Ukrainian

Post by dralanbell » 28 Oct 2010 18:06

can Mike Melnyk let me know if it is ok to contact him please (and how to more to the point) thanks

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Re: Photos of 14 SS Galicia Division

Post by Askold » 28 Oct 2010 22:41

14thpanzerjager - the pic did not come out :(

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