Ukrainians in the Waffen-SS & Wehrmacht

Discussions on the foreigners (volunteers as well as conscripts) fighting in the German Wehrmacht, those collaborating with the Axis and other period Far Right organizations. Hosted by George Lepre.
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Re: Ukrainians in the Waffen-SS & Wehrmacht

Post by thezerech » 13 May 2021 18:11

Wolf Dietrich Heike's book is also good, it's available in English and while he was a Wehrmacht officer iirc transferred to the division he liked the Ukrainians and felt the staff officers to be, as the Ukrainians also thought, incompetent and with a disdain for Slavic soldiers. The division was not particularly treated well.

I also want to mention that I was under the impression that the Division, at least initially before Brody, was primarily made up of volunteers from Galicia, presumably not men already serving as auxiliary police. I always had the impression that auxiliary police units were generally made of Red Army PoWs, if not, in certain cases, led by them. I read this in one of Dr. Kubiovych's articles on the subject after Brody is when I would presume others made it into the division if they did.

Also, how many soldiers, of those surrendered to the Poles under the auspices of the Galicia Division, in the UNA, were from other units? I always had the impression that despite being the primary Ukrainian unit, most Ukrainians in the Heer were never subordinate to the UNA nor were they lucky enough to get scooped up by the Poles and Brits after WWII. Also worth mention is that it was through the personal intervention of Gen Wladyslaw Anders of the Polish Army that the UNA got saved from the GULAG, since they were mostly former Polish citizens, and Gen Shandruk had fought in the Polish Army in '39.

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Re: Ukrainians in the Waffen-SS & Wehrmacht

Post by AriX » 15 May 2021 17:16

Ukrainians in Wehrmacht were mostly "hi-wis".There were circa 100.000 of them. IN W-SS was 14th division formed with west ukrainians. There also mentioning that 1000 ukrainian were fighting in "Wiking" division. Still, its a bit contraversial, since those @ukrainians@ might be ukrainian germans.

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Re: Ukrainians in the Waffen-SS & Wehrmacht

Post by Askold » 27 Sep 2021 17:46

AriX wrote:
15 May 2021 17:16
Ukrainians in Wehrmacht were mostly "hi-wis".There were circa 100.000 of them. IN W-SS was 14th division formed with west ukrainians. There also mentioning that 1000 ukrainian were fighting in "Wiking" division. Still, its a bit contraversial, since those @ukrainians@ might be ukrainian germans.
Please re-read this whole forum or search under Ukrainian Volunteers. You are quite wrong in your assesment. As a very rough estimate:

160,000 in Ostlegions/YBB
70,000 in Schutzmanshaften
35,000 in Galician division
5,000 or more in other Waffen Ss disivison
10,000 as Flakhepers
unindetified number (probably around 1000) in Luftwaffe
unindentified number (probably no more then 300-500) in Kriegsmarine
unindentified number (probably around 5000) in all the othe paramilitary formations like Org. Todt, NSKK, Baudienst ect.

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Re: Ukrainians in the Waffen-SS & Wehrmacht

Post by AriX » 28 Sep 2021 20:42

Askold wrote:
27 Sep 2021 17:46



70,000 in Schutzmanshaften
Nothing to do with Wehrmacht and W-SS.

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