Seelöwe: Lets discuss:- German barges, sunk by fighters?

[RichTO90]

The draught for the peniche-based landing barges was .075 metres...remembering that that would be the depth at which the barge would ground; then plus the length of the landing ramp on a shelving beach....

Er, 3 inches? Are you sure about that?

[phylo_roadking]

Typo now corrected.

[Gooner1]

The draught for the peniche-based landing barges was 0.75 metres (typo corrected)...remembering that that would be the depth at which the barge would ground; then plus the length of the landing ramp on a shelving beach....

...and depending on the beach, it might not even have to wade after all

I think you mean depending on how long they wait for the tide to fall!

[phylo_roadking]

Nope. For in THAT case, with the tide receeded, there would be less actual need for tracked tractors to be available to tow bogged-down vehicles out of the sand.

[sitalkes]

A. Tucker-Jones in Hitlers Great Panzer Heist. (2007) p.59 says "The Germans also gained the remnants of a fleet of 6,000 tracked infantry carriers, which they employed as the infantry schlepper UE 630 (f). About half were sent to an assembly plant at Paris-Issy les Moulineaux and overhauled under the direction of the German company MAN (Maschinenfabrik Augsberg-Nurnberg)."

[Juha Tompuri]

Well, one can only wonder...




...what depth that river was in the middle!

Is it really a river, and had that UE anything to do with the mentioned middle of the water at the photo?

Regards, Juha

[phylo_roadking]

It could be a dyke, it could be flooded low land, or a river.

But given that the middle of a war isn't the time to be taking a piece of military equipment AND a gun for a joy ride, and there's an absence of beer, it's a fair assumption they were busy getting from one side of whatever-it-was to the other.

Otherwise, the best way to get from one place on the shore to another place on the same shore would be...along the shore.

[Juha Tompuri]

It could be a dyke, it could be flooded low land, or a river.

...or something else, but basically that's now better.

ut given that the middle of a war isn't the time to be taking a piece of military equipment AND a gun for a joy ride, and there's an absence of beer, it's a fair assumption they were busy getting from one side of whatever-it-was to the other.

If not knowing exactly, I think it's then an assumption.

Regards, Juha

[phylo_roadking]

But given that the middle of a war isn't the time to be taking a piece of military equipment AND a gun for a joy ride, and there's an absence of beer, it's a fair assumption they were busy getting from one side of whatever-it-was to the other.

If not knowing exactly, I think it's then an assumption.

Yes, if you look closely I did say it was an assumption.

[Juha Tompuri]

I look forward to you giving a better explanation for them to be in said water obstacle...

Actually just intersted in reality, not assumptions written as they were true:

...what depth that river was in the middle!

Regards, Juha

[phylo_roadking]

Hardly interested in reality if you can't tell us exactly what they were doing then, if they weren't crossing a water obstacle of some nature.

Given that I have, as I said, already noted that it was an assumption.

[Juha Tompuri]

Hardly interested in reality if you can't tell us exactly what they were doing then, if they weren't crossing a water obstacle of some nature.

If not knowing it is a river, I think it is better not to claim it is.

Regards, Juha

[Graeme Sydney]

To me it looks like they are going along the side of a river or bank. I reckon it is just a PR shoot.

[sitalkes]

On page 31 of "Hitler's Great Panzer Heist" (2007), A. Tucker-Jones says "By early July 1941, for the defence of the British Isles, the Army could muster 1,141 infantry and cruiser tanks; however, only 391 were considered fit for action. British repair facilities at this stage remained lamentable and a month later 25% of the infantry tanks were still out of action, as were 157 of the 400 cruiser tanks." If this was the situation in August 1941, how many (or what proportion of) Britsh tanks were serviceable a year earlier?

[sitalkes]

I got the full text about the 1940 German geological and hydrographic maps of southern England

The hydrographic maps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_JIBY ... 3kzVk12NGs
The geological maps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_JIBY ... nc0aGRlaDA