Aber wrote:Actually Salerno:
Sorry, but no, the coment about the 1st ID in NPW is given WRT Anzio, not Salerno.
On the other hand, the numbers and details are highly suspect for the Allied major items of equipment
TDNI newsletter Dec 1998
OTOH it's always nice when you don't quote mine. And its always silly to attempt quote mining with the person who wrote the original you're quoting from.
The full quote from the passage I wrote in the TNDM
"In general it appears that the original QJM Database got the numbers of major items of equipment right for the Germans, even if it flubbed on the details. On the other hand, the numbers and details are highly suspect for the Allied major items of equipment. Just as a first order “guestimate” I would say that this probably reduces the German CEV to some extent; however, missing from the formula is the Allied naval gunfire support which although negligible in impact in the initial stages of the battle, had a strong influence on the later stages of the battle.
BTW, yes the Germans did record "those treated at divisional level and returned to duty" as "wounded, but remained with the troops".
See TDNI newsletter June 1997 p25[/quote]
IIRC, Chris and I had a long argument about that. It was true as a general case, However, it wasn't always true, especially in Italy where the Germans records usually reported troops "wounded, but remaining with the troops" separately from "wounded". I know for all those battles in late 1943 they are included...but not IIRC for most of the Anzio battles.
And it is TNDM
Aprilia I is listed as on 25-26 January in Numbers, Predictions and War; Aprilia II on 9 February. Other sources give 188 British battle casualties, and 39 German battle casualties with 211 captured for 25th January. There was a German counterattack on 26 February, but according to D'Este the Guards brigade held their ground and so it is unclear where over 500 MIA/410 captured would come from.
The original Aprilia listing was pretty much a mess and required quite a bit of correction, as did many of the Anzio battles. The casualties for both sides were taken directly from the relevant war diaries and were re-checked by me a number of times, especially since the review was not done "for fun" but under contract for our EPW Report. The German attack at Aprilia on 26 February was part of the "Caves" battles of the latter part of FISCHFANG and is a different subject.
Aprilia II on 9 February originally listed 270 German casualties and 311 British.
As I said, we completely renamed the series of Anzio battles, as well as many of the other Italian battles, based on our review in 1999-2000. The actual figures reported for 9 February were 721 British and 187 German. If anything, the British come off looking slightly worse than in the original.
As I said, some problems with the data.
No, problems in organizing the data, not the data itself.