Operation Market Garden was a success

[KrzysieM]

Hi
Is there any historian stating in his/hers book, that the operation was Allies' success?

[Aber]

IIRC it has been claimed that it was 90% successful.

[Delta Tank]

The purpose of Operation Market Garden was to get across the Rhine so that the British Army could encircle the Ruhr Industrial area from the north, and execute Operation Gatwick.

So, how was it a success? We did not establish a bridgehead across the Rhine and therefore Operation Gatwick could not be executed. Mission failure.

Mike

[Michael Kenny]

There will never ever be any objective concensus over Market Garden. The battle is too important to those who believe Montgomery was the cause of all problems/setbacks in WW2 and they will never accept any conclusion that departs from that narrative.

[Takao]

Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands: "My country can never again afford the luxury of another Montgomery success.", as told to Cornelius Ryan, author of "A Bridge Too Far."

AFAIK, the only author I have read claiming Market Garden was a success would be Montgomery himself.

[Michael Kenny]

Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands: "My country can never again afford the luxury of another Montgomery success.", as told to Cornelius Ryan, author of "A Bridge Too Far."

AFAIK, the only author I have read claiming Market Garden was a success would be Montgomery himself.

Montgomery never said MG 'was a success' so you could not possible have read him claiming it was.

[ljadw]

Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands: "My country can never again afford the luxury of another Montgomery success.", as told to Cornelius Ryan, author of "A Bridge Too Far."

AFAIK, the only author I have read claiming Market Garden was a success would be Montgomery himself.

About the mythical statement from Bernhard;

1 ) I like to see a better proof than what Ryan is saying

2) If what Ryan is saying is correct, the fact remains that Bernhard is wrong : there is no relation between the infamous hunger winter in the centre of the Netherlands and the failure of Market Garden .

[Takao]

Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands: "My country can never again afford the luxury of another Montgomery success.", as told to Cornelius Ryan, author of "A Bridge Too Far."

AFAIK, the only author I have read claiming Market Garden was a success would be Montgomery himself.

Montgomery never said MG 'was a success' so you could not possible have read him claiming it was.

Odd...90% successful is not a success. If 90% successful is not a success than it is a failure.

[Michael Kenny]

Odd...90% successful is not a success. If 90% successful is not a success than it is a failure.

Your original statement:

the only author I have read claiming Market Garden was a success would be Montgomery himself


Is quite clearly incorrect.
In short you made it up.








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[Takao]

Your original statement:

the only author I have read claiming Market Garden was a success would be Montgomery himself


Is quite clearly incorrect.
In short you made it up.

Then where is your list of authors/books that call Market Garden a success?

[Takao]

About the mythical statement from Bernhard;

1 ) I like to see a better proof than what Ryan is saying

Box 120, Folder 2 of Ohio University's Cornelius Ryan Collection of World War 2 Papers.

2) If what Ryan is saying is correct, the fact remains that Bernhard is wrong : there is no relation between the infamous hunger winter in the centre of the Netherlands and the failure of Market Garden .

As usual, you are in error...

The Dutch Government in exile called on Dutch railway workers to go on strike in support of Market Garden. Which the Dutch railway workers dutifully did. The strike itself had minimal effect on the German efforts to combat Market Garden, and they quickly took over operation of the Dutch railroads. However, the Germans, in retaliation, prohibited the shipment of food and fuel in Holland.With no shipment of food or fuel, stocks rapidly dwindled. Of course, the German propaganda machine blamed the famine and fuel shortage on the Dutch railway workers strike.

Now, do you see the connection between the famine and Market Garden?

[Michael Kenny]

Then where is your list of authors/books that call Market Garden a success?

Not having claimed MG as a 'success' I have no need to list books/sources that say as much.
You however had failed to produce the book/quote where Monty said MG was a success.

Perhaps an admission you were mistaken would be in order?

[wm]

The railway strike although started concurrently with Market Garden lasted till the end of the war. The food blockade was meant to break the strike. It lasted only a few weeks anyway, later it was partially lifted - but because the strike continued food could have only be transported over water, unfortunately the early and harsh winter made that impossible.

The German propaganda machine kept insisting that the strike would only harm the Dutch civilian food supply. Keeping up the railway strike became a matter of prestige. The strike continued until the liberation.

Nor Rayan, nor Prince Bernhard said the quote was about the famine, the blockade or the strike. In fact the events aren't mention at all in his book.

[ljadw]

About the mythical statement from Bernhard;

1 ) I like to see a better proof than what Ryan is saying

Box 120, Folder 2 of Ohio University's Cornelius Ryan Collection of World War 2 Papers.

2) If what Ryan is saying is correct, the fact remains that Bernhard is wrong : there is no relation between the infamous hunger winter in the centre of the Netherlands and the failure of Market Garden .

As usual, you are in error...

The Dutch Government in exile called on Dutch railway workers to go on strike in support of Market Garden. Which the Dutch railway workers dutifully did. The strike itself had minimal effect on the German efforts to combat Market Garden, and they quickly took over operation of the Dutch railroads. However, the Germans, in retaliation, prohibited the shipment of food and fuel in Holland.With no shipment of food or fuel, stocks rapidly dwindled. Of course, the German propaganda machine blamed the famine and fuel shortage on the Dutch railway workers strike.

Now, do you see the connection between the famine and Market Garden?

1) Box 120 etc is not a proof :it is only parotting what Ryan said

2 ) Wrong : even without the railway strike ,there would be a famine in the west of the Netherlands (Randstad Holland ) which was very industrialized and heavily populated .

[ljadw]

Bernhard was a vain creature ,without military experience, who 50 years after MG said that Montgomery was responsible for the failure of MG .