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Unconditional Surrender

Post by Pips » 25 Jan 2019 00:48

Anyone know who came up with the policy of "Unconditional Surrender"? Roosevelt? Churchill? Or one of their lackeys?
And at what date?

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Re: Unconditional Surrender

Post by OpanaPointer » 25 Jan 2019 01:29

First use in WWII was at the Casablanca Conference. FDR used it in a speech there. Legend has it that the other leaders were surprised by this, but a paper trail exists showing the announced goal had been discussed prior to FDR's speech.
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Re: Unconditional Surrender

Post by Futurist » 25 Jan 2019 06:11

OpanaPointer wrote:
25 Jan 2019 01:29
First use in WWII was at the Casablanca Conference. FDR used it in a speech there. Legend has it that the other leaders were surprised by this, but a paper trail exists showing the announced goal had been discussed prior to FDR's speech.
Discussed with both Churchill and Stalin?

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Re: Unconditional Surrender

Post by OpanaPointer » 25 Jan 2019 12:59

Futurist wrote:
25 Jan 2019 06:11
OpanaPointer wrote:
25 Jan 2019 01:29
First use in WWII was at the Casablanca Conference. FDR used it in a speech there. Legend has it that the other leaders were surprised by this, but a paper trail exists showing the announced goal had been discussed prior to FDR's speech.
Discussed with both Churchill and Stalin?
I'd have to check the communiques again. It would have been an important assurance for Dzhugashvili, I think.
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Re: Unconditional Surrender

Post by histan » 14 Feb 2019 16:34

Roosevelt discussed this with Oliver Lyttleton on 24.11.1942.

The following are extracts from the notes made by Lyttlton and sent back to London
Unc Sur 01.jpg
Unc Sur 02.jpg
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Re: Unconditional Surrender

Post by rcocean » 22 Mar 2019 01:01

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Discussed with both Churchill and Stalin?
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Great post Futurist! Yes, Churchill - after the war - claimed to be surprised by Unconditional Surrender, but at the time, he wasn't. I'm not aware that he ever - during the war- deviated from supporting the policy. He even signed on to the Morgenthau Plan. As for FDR, people forget that he had disliked Germans his entire adult life. He was a warhawk in WW 1, and as stated in your post, supported us imposing unconditional surrender in 1918. And during the interwar period 1920-1934, I'm not aware that FDR EVER criticized the Versailles Treaty for being too harsh on Germany.

IRC, Stalin never declared a "Unconditional Surrender" policy. He had a group of Captured German Generals advocating a peace on Soviet terms, and there were indications of Soviet-Germany peace talks right after Stalingrad. Bottom line: Stalin loved the fact that FDR/Churchill were for no compromise -war to the knife. But he was willing to negotiate with Nazi Germany, IF and only IF, it got him what he wanted. IOW, despite being a communist "ideologue" Stalin - in this matter -was a pragmatist.

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Re: Unconditional Surrender

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 23 Mar 2019 17:37

Roosevelt had previously discussed goals, endstate and US with others in 1942. Marshal. Stimson. & Others were consulted on war goals, including the US question.

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Re: Unconditional Surrender

Post by OpanaPointer » 23 Mar 2019 17:53

Truman's War by Moskin, is a good read.
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