12th AD suffering such high losses at Herrilsheim?

[Geoffrey Cooke]

If 12th Armored really suffered 1,300 casualties, (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/warship ... 71#p985971) that seems to be truly exceptional losses for a US AD. Was 12th Armored just badly lead?

[Richard Anderson]

If 12th Armored really suffered 1,300 casualties, (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/warship ... 71#p985971) that seems to be truly exceptional losses for a US AD. Was 12th Armored just badly lead?

It's nonsense. Yes, the 12th Armored Division suffered very heavy casualties in Herrlesheim, but they did not lose 1,300 men in two days. It reported the loss of 1,250 battle casualties for the period 9-19 January, eleven days, not two.

[Richard Anderson]

If 12th Armored really suffered 1,300 casualties, (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/warship ... 71#p985971) that seems to be truly exceptional losses for a US AD. Was 12th Armored just badly lead?

It's nonsense. Yes, the 12th Armored Division suffered very heavy casualties in Herrlesheim, but they did not lose 1,300 men in two days. It reported the loss of 1,250 battle casualties for the period 9-19 January, eleven days, not two.

Additionally, CCB reported the loss of 29 KIA, 290 WIA, and 55 MIA for the period 8-21 January, implying the losses to CCA at Herrlesheim were about 875 9-19 January. The bulk of the loss were the 200-odd captured from the 17th AIB.

[Geoffrey Cooke]

If 12th Armored really suffered 1,300 casualties, (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/warship ... 71#p985971) that seems to be truly exceptional losses for a US AD. Was 12th Armored just badly lead?

It's nonsense. Yes, the 12th Armored Division suffered very heavy casualties in Herrlesheim, but they did not lose 1,300 men in two days. It reported the loss of 1,250 battle casualties for the period 9-19 January, eleven days, not two.

Additionally, CCB reported the loss of 29 KIA, 290 WIA, and 55 MIA for the period 8-21 January, implying the losses to CCA at Herrlesheim were about 875 9-19 January. The bulk of the loss were the 200-odd captured from the 17th AIB.

Thank you! I’m always impressed by the detail you bring to discussions.

[Michael Kenny]

Who thinks he is going to get anything of substance from a Mark Felton film?

[Life Standarda]

Another thing really interesting to me is the losses of armour. Several sources indicates that 12 AD “LOST” 70 tanks during these engagements. I wonder what meaning this "lost" really means. Maybe this 70 tanks were "knocked out" which contains both recoverable(but needs 24hours+) and irrecoverable loss,or damaged+knocked out,or,it just means 12 AD had 70 tanks as irrecoverable loss(totally destroyed or left in enemy territory）.