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Question on D-day photo

Post by Rein » 29 Mar 2023 22:08

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According to the US Navy history site is this photo taken on D-day Omaha beach.
But for me it looks more a scene from the Pacific, don't ask me why.

Questions:
What makes it a d-day photo, any unit signs?
Where there DUKW's on d-day?
The beach is full with garbage of empty shells??
Exact location?

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by OpanaPointer » 29 Mar 2023 23:11

You're probably thinking of Iwo. But the beach there was much steeper. The line of men marching off to fight gives you scale.
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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by LineDoggie » 30 Mar 2023 03:16

Rein wrote:
29 Mar 2023 22:08
Image

According to the US Navy history site is this photo taken on D-day Omaha beach.
But for me it looks more a scene from the Pacific, don't ask me why.

Questions:
What makes it a d-day photo, any unit signs?
Where there DUKW's on d-day?
The beach is full with garbage of empty shells??
Exact location?
Easy Red sector, Omaha beach
Not all of Omaha Beach (which ran for several miles) was bluffs near the high tide line

The men are Col. Hurley E. Fullers 23rd infantry regiment, 2nd infantry division. he demanded his men be armed with the M1903 Springfield instead of the M1 garand
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Col. George Taylor, 16th Infantry Regiment, Omaha Beach

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by dgfred » 30 Mar 2023 14:52

What was his reasoning for Springfields?

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by Delta Tank » 05 Apr 2023 17:19

LineDoggie wrote:
30 Mar 2023 03:16
Rein wrote:
29 Mar 2023 22:08
Image

According to the US Navy history site is this photo taken on D-day Omaha beach.
But for me it looks more a scene from the Pacific, don't ask me why.

Questions:
What makes it a d-day photo, any unit signs?
Where there DUKW's on d-day?
The beach is full with garbage of empty shells??
Exact location?
Easy Red sector, Omaha beach
Not all of Omaha Beach (which ran for several miles) was bluffs near the high tide line

The men are Col. Hurley E. Fullers 23rd infantry regiment, 2nd infantry division. he demanded his men be armed with the M1903 Springfield instead of the M1 garand
The US Army did use DUKWs on D-Day. Col. Hurley demanded his men use the M1903 Springfield?? I tried to run that rabbit down it’s hole several years ago and I couldn’t find anything that proved that was true. Rear echelon troops, truck drivers, cooks, clerks, etc were issued M1903A3 Springfield Rifles. So, do you have any proof that an entire infantry regiment was armed with M1903 or M1903A3 rifles? When Hurley left the 23d Infantry Regiment, did the new regimental commander keep the Springfields or did he demand M-1 Garands? Col. Hurley Fuller left the 23d Infantry and took command of 110th Infantry Regiment, 28th Infantry Division and was captured during the Battle of the Bulge.

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by Delta Tank » 05 Apr 2023 17:42

To All,

This is thread that discusses retention of Springfield.

viewtopic.php?f=113&t=196225&start=30&hilit=Hurley

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by paulrward » 06 Apr 2023 19:26

Hello All :

Mr. dgfred posted :
What was his reasoning for Springfields?
As a very famous and knowledgeable writer once wrote in one of his novels,
" I feel the way about a Springfield that I do about a Gooney Bird ( C-47 ) ;
some pieces of machinery are ultimate perfection of their sort, the only possible
improvement is a radical change in design. "
If I had to carry just one weapon into combat, that weapon would be a Model 1903A3
Springfield, in 30.06. No other infantry weapon has ever demonstrated an equal
combination of range, accuracy, and reliability.

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by dgfred » 06 Apr 2023 20:41

Thanks for the reply Mr Ward!

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by Delta Tank » 11 Apr 2023 19:21

paulrward wrote:
06 Apr 2023 19:26
Hello All :

Mr. dgfred posted :
What was his reasoning for Springfields?
As a very famous and knowledgeable writer once wrote in one of his novels,
" I feel the way about a Springfield that I do about a Gooney Bird ( C-47 ) ;
some pieces of machinery are ultimate perfection of their sort, the only possible
improvement is a radical change in design. "
If I had to carry just one weapon into combat, that weapon would be a Model 1903A3
Springfield, in 30.06. No other infantry weapon has ever demonstrated an equal
combination of range, accuracy, and reliability.

Respectfully:

Paul R. Ward
The 1903 Springfield action was a copy of a Mauser actuon. Mauser sued Springfield and won, we had to pay Mauser IIRC $1.00 for each action made. I own a K98k Mauser, a 303 British Enfield Mk4 no.1 and a 1903 Springfield and two 1903A3 Springfields. Of those rifles I like the Enfield the best because it’s battle sight is the easiest to get on target quickly, and for real precision work it also has a micrometer sight.

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by LineDoggie » 11 Apr 2023 19:58

Actually Mauser did NOT sue the US, DWM did.
"There are two kinds of people who are staying on this beach: those who are dead and those who are going to die. Now let’s get the hell out of here".
Col. George Taylor, 16th Infantry Regiment, Omaha Beach

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by paulrward » 15 Apr 2023 03:47

Hello All :

Mr. Delta Tank Posted :
Of those rifles I like the Enfield the best because it’s battle sight is the easiest to
get on target quickly, and for real precision work it also has a micrometer sight.

Mike
Ah yes, the 303 Lee Enfield. From Gallipoli to Dunkirk, Singapore to Tobruk, Everywhere British Soldiers
threw down their rifles and put their hands over their heada, THE LEE ENFIELD WAS THERE !!

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Edit: incorrect attribution of quote
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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by Michael Kenny » 15 Apr 2023 03:54

paulrward wrote:
15 Apr 2023 03:47


Mr. Line Doggie Posted :
Of those rifles I like the Enfield the best because it’s battle sight is the easiest to
get on target quickly, and for real precision work it also has a micrometer sight.

He did not.

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by Empiricist » 11 May 2023 21:53

Rein wrote:
29 Mar 2023 22:08
What makes it a d-day photo
Vast majority of factors were mentioned above.

I would add helmet nets and NCO or officer wearing tanker jacket -- typical ETO-look.

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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by Knouterer » 18 May 2023 08:57

Rein wrote:
29 Mar 2023 22:08

Questions:
What makes it a d-day photo, any unit signs?
Where there DUKW's on d-day?
The beach is full with garbage of empty shells??
Exact location?
Also, 57 mm AT guns were not much seen in the Pacific, I think. The 37 mm gun was adequate for Japanese light and medium tanks. A Marine division still had 36 in 1944.
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Re: Question on D-day photo

Post by yantaylor » 30 May 2023 11:23

paulrward wrote:
15 Apr 2023 03:47
Hello All :

Mr. Delta Tank Posted :
Of those rifles I like the Enfield the best because it’s battle sight is the easiest to
get on target quickly, and for real precision work it also has a micrometer sight.

Mike
Ah yes, the 303 Lee Enfield. From Gallipoli to Dunkirk, Singapore to Tobruk, Everywhere British Soldiers
threw down their rifles and put their hands over their heada, THE LEE ENFIELD WAS THERE !!

Respectfully

Paul R. Ward

Edit: incorrect attribution of quote
How rude, there was a few 03 rifles placed on the ground too, but I am not one to judge fighting men from the comfort of my computer chair.

Ian

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