how manny divisions had germany in france 1941

[Caesar]

hi,
i have a question.

how manny divisions had germany in france in the fall of 1941?
i mean at the beginning of operation barabossa.
i would also like 2 know how manny pz div, inf div, mot div, ...

thx

[Christoph Awender]

Hello!

Which time period do you mean? Barbarossa (June 1941) or fall 1941?
Of course no Panzer- or mot.Divisions for occupation duties.
See this OoB from my site for details.
http://chrito.users1.50megs.com/kstn/okh/barbarossa.htm

\Christoph

[Caesar]

what i mean is,

How manny (german) divisions where there in the west.
by west i mean France, Belguim, holland

because i need it for a what if i would like 2 know how manny Panzer-, infanteriedivisions, maybe alsow mot infanteriedivisions.

i know there where no Panzer- or mot.Divisions for occupation duties.
but there was a panzer reserve or not?

thx,

[Christoph Awender]

what i mean is,

How manny (german) divisions where there in the west.
by west i mean France, Belguim, holland

because i need it for a what if i would like 2 know how manny Panzer-, infanteriedivisions, maybe alsow mot infanteriedivisions.

i know there where no Panzer- or mot.Divisions for occupation duties.
but there was a panzer reserve or not?

thx,

Yes, I understood your question very well. In your question you ask one time for fall 1941 and one time for Barbarossa which was in summer (June) 1941. I just asked which date you really mean now.

Did you have a look to the link to my site? It gives you all details you need to answer your question.

\Christoph

[Caesar]

ow sorry

i ment summer...
yes i have looked at your site (verry nice but my german isnt good)
if i understand it good. in the west you had army 1,7 and 15 (37 divisions)

i have 2 questions.

1) Was there no panzerreserve in france in the summer of 1941?
2) Army 12 (Südosten) where is that?

[Christian W.]

The Panzers were needed elsewhere, in Afrika and for Operation Barbarosa so most of them where in these locations, infantry took care of the occupied contries, though there were surely a panzer of two hanging around in Western Europe. :roll: Why would they have kept them in Western Europe? There was really no need for that.

[Christoph Awender]

Yes 1., 7., 15.A.O.K. were present in the west in June 1941.

1) With Panzerreserve you mean a division size formation? No there was no "Panzerreserve". First they needed every available fast force in the east of course. And why shoud they have a "Panzerreserve" in France at this time? Would make no sense.

2) A.O.K.12 (Südosten) is southeast Europe (Balkans, Greece etc...)

\Christoph

[Christian W.]

Cannot agree more.

[Caesar]

thanks for all the answers,

I have still 1 question left.
where there anny Waffen-SS divisions in the West or where they all fighting in the East?

[Christoph Awender]

thanks for all the answers,

I have still 1 question left.
where there anny Waffen-SS divisions in the West or where they all fighting in the East?

Caesar, did you read through the OoB I gave you? Do you see any W-SS divisions?

\Christoph

[Caesar]

no but maybe that was only heer...

[Starinov]

Caesar,

In June 1941, the Waffen-SS had only 5 division-size formations: LAH, Reich, Totenkopf, Polizei and Wiking. All were used in the East.

[Starinov]

Christoph,

Regarding the OoB on your site, could you tell me what is the meaning of the red and green color?

[Christoph Awender]

Red are Luftwaffe units attached to Heer formations. Green is either (explained in the same "box" of the OoB) I.Flakkorps, II.Flakkorps or just temporary subordinated units.

\Christoph