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Re: SS vs. NKVD

Post by Art » 12 Sep 2019 08:07

OOB, location and strength of NKVD border forces in December 1941 (excluding western districts)
Georgian District
District HQ – Tbilisi – 125 men authorized/97 actual
36 Border Detachment – Sukhumi – 551/487
37 Border Detachment – Batumi – 2079/1873
38 Border Detachment – Akhaltsikhe – 1806/2655
District NCO school – Kutaisi 280/71
District service dog school – Ag-Bulak – 171/70
Sep.signal company - Tbilisi – 152/165
Counter. radio station – Tbilisi – 11/11
Signal workshop – Tbilisi – 2/2/
Sanitary-bacteriological laboratory – 2/2
District films depot – Tbilisi – 2/2
41 Reserve Rifle Regiment – Tbilisi – n.a.
Total 5181/4435 men

Armenian District
District HQ – Yerevan – 87/64
39 Border Detachment – Leninakan – 1543/1447
40 Border Detachment – Yerevan – 1376/1334
9 Sep. Border Komendatura – Meghri - 378/368
182 Sep. Reserve Battalion – Leninakan – 661/655
District NCO school – Kamarlyu – 233/91
Counter. radio station – Yerevan – 8/8
Sep. signal platoon – Yerevan – 24/24
Band – Yerevan – 28/28
Total 4338/4019 men

Azerbaijan District
District HQ – Baku – 133/110
41 Border Detachment – Nakhchivan – 1541/1492
42 Border Detachment – Hadrut – 1317/121(?)
43 Border Detachment – Prishib – 1658/1532
44 Border Detachment – Lankoran – 1090/917
17 Cavalry Regiment – Pyatigorsk – 969/917
District NCO school – Cəbrayil – 440/184
Sep. border checkpoint – Baku – 58/51
Sep. signal company – Baku – 130/91
Counter. radio station – Baku – 8/8
District films depot – Baku – 2/2
Total 7351/5699 men

Turkmen District
District HQ – Ashgabat – 157/149
45 Border Detachment – Serakhs – 820/744
46 Border Detachment – Kaakhka – 1037/912
47 Border Detachment – Kerki – 1011/939
67 Border Detachment – Bajat-Hajji – 907/773
68 Border Detachment – Tagtabazar – 1259/1116
71 Border Detachment – Bäherden – 1734/1544
1 Sep.Komendatura – Bagyr – 581/592
44 Reserve Cavalry Regiment – Ashgabat – 1267/1277
183 Reserve Rifle Battalion – Kerki – 661/655
Sep. sea border chekpoint – Krasnovodsk – 21/21
Sep. signal company – Ashgabat – 156/190
District NCO school – 493/493
Garrison commandant – Ashgabat – 1/1
Counter. radio station – Ashgabat – 8/8
District films depot – Ashgabat – 2/2
District sanitary-bacteriological laboratory – 3
Total 10 115/9157 men

Central-Asian District
District HQ – Tashkent - 160/132
Inspectorate - Stalinabad – 11/11
45 Reserve Cavalry Regiment – Risosovkhoz – 1267/1278
190 Sep. Cavalry Battalion – Osh – 475/466
48 Border Detachment - Kirovobad - 1045/920
66 Pamir Border Detachment - Khorog – 672/618
81 Uzbek Border Detachment - Termez – 1068/944
13 Sep.Komendatura - Zhuroabad - 1068/944
14 Sep.Komendatura – Alay-Gulcha – 499/371
15 Sep.Komendatura - Kalay-Humb – 394/371
16 Sep.Komendatura - Przhevalsk – 422/333
18 Sep.Komendatura – Naryn - 449/333
26 Sep.Komendatura - Murghab – 538/505
17 Sep. Construction company – Murghab – 248/244
Sep. automobile company – Murghab – 118/117
District NCO school – Tashkent – 678/773
Garrison commandant – Tashkent – 4/4
Sep. signal company - 118/116
Garrison commandant – Stalinabad – 3/3
District films depot – Tashkent – 2/2
Band – Tashkent – 42/46
Sanitary-bacteriological laboratory – Tashkent – 2/1
Counter. radio station – Tashkent – 8/5
District signal workshop – 2/2
Total 9050/8161 men

Kazakh District
District HQ – Almaty - 140/123
30 Border Detachment - Bakhty – 985/865
49 Border Detachment - Zharkent – 765/686
50 Border Detachment - Zaysan – 1085/975
10 Sep.Komendatura - Uryl – 325/298
11 Sep. Komednatura - Lepsinsk – 286/271
12 Sep. Komendatura - Sarydjass – 357/358
11 Cavalry Regiment - Almaty – 1206/934
District NCO school – Amaty – 212/313
Sep. signal company – Almaty – 163/186
Military hospital – Almaty – 26/24
Sep. checkpoint – Almaty – 5/4
Garrison commandant – Almaty – 4/4
Sanitary-bacteriological laboratory – Almaty – 2/2
District singal workshop – Almaty – 2/2
Total 5561/5045 men

West Siberia Border District

District HQ - Novosibirsk – 94/87
28 Border Detachment - Kosh-Agach – 641/635
29 Border Detachment – V.Usunskiy – 544/546
21 Sep. Komendatura - Bolshoy Lug – 236/235
Sep. checkpoint – Igarka – 5/5
Sep. signal platoon – Novosibirsk – 24/20
District NCO school – Novosibirsk – 77/30
District films depot – Novosibirsk – 2/2
District signal workshop – Novosibirsk – 2/2
Total 1625/1562 men

Transbaikal District
District HQ - Chita – 179/161
51 Border Detachment – Kyakhta – 1017/875
53 Border Detachment – Dauria – 1851/1733
54 Border Detachment - Nerchinskiy Zavod – 1609/1555
55 Border Detachment - Dzhalinda - 1091/1036
64 Border Detachment - Mangutskoye – 1169/1072
74 Border Detachment - Pokrovskoye – 1264/1244
19 Sep. Komendatura - Kiren – 421/361
Sep. checkpoint – Otpor – 31/28
District NCO school – Gorniy Zarentuy – 542/230
Sep. signal company – Chita – 191/152
Military hospital – Chita – 12/12
Counter. radio station – Chita – 4/4
Sanitary-bacteriological laboratory – Chita – 2/2
Garrison commandant – Chita – 4/4
Sep. service dog school – Kitoy st. – 158/65
Signal workshop – Chita – 2/2
District films depot – Chita – 2/2
47 Reserve Cavalry Regiment – Irkutsk – 1267/1260
179 Sep. Rifle Battalion – Irkutsk – 661/573
48 Reserve Cavalry Regiment – Skovorodino st. – 1267/1335
180 Sep. Reserve Battalion – Chita – 661/544
HQ river cutters battalion – Chita – 24/19
Total 13 429/12 219 men

Khabarovsk District
District HQ - Khabarovsk – 232/187
49 Reserve Rifle Regiment – Khabarovsk – 2253/2131
78 Border Detachment – Kumary - 1080/1002
75 Border Detachment – Inokentyevka – 1306/1122
56 Border Detachment - Blagoveschensk – 1498/1208
76 Border Detachment - Yekaterino-Nikolskoye – 1203/1113
63 Border Detachment - Leninskoye – 1177/994
70 Border Detachment - Kazakevichevo – 1313/1126
77 Border Detachment - Bikin – 1302/1245
52 Coastal Border Detachment – Aleksandrovsk – 1991/1550
65 Coastal Border Detachment - Nikolayevsk-na-Amure – 644/290
10 Sep. Construction Company – 248/248
11 Sep. Construction Company – 248/248
12 Sep. Construction Company – 248/248
Sep. signal battalion - Khabarovsk – 421/326
District NCO school – Khabarovsk – 565/205
Sep. sapper company – Svobodniy – 211/141
Language courses – Khabarovsk – 28
Counter. radio station – Khabarovsk -12/3
Garrison commandant – Khabarovsk – 25/24
Band – Khabarovsk – 42/48
Sanitary-bacteriological laboratory – Khabarovsk – 2/2
District military hospital – Blagoveschensk – 30/19
District military hospital – Khabarovsk – 30/29
District films depot – Khabarovsk – 3/3
District signal workshop – 2/2
Total: 16 212/13 593
Naval border elements – 1135
With naval elements – 16212/14728

Maritime District
District HQ - Vladivostok – 218/159
50 Reserve Border Regiment – Vladivostok – 2156/2173
184 Reserve Rifle Battalion – Grodekovo – 661/654
57 Border Detachment - Iman – 1399/1350
58 Border Detachment – Grodekovo – 1984/1630
59 Border Detachment - Posyet – 1954/1881
60 Border Detachment - Petropavlovsk – 2468/1942
61 Coastal Border Detachment – Magor – 1025/846
62 Coastal Border Detachment - Vladivostok – 1842/1596
69 Border Detachment - Komissarovo – 1268/1178
Sep. signal battalion – Vladivostok – 401/259
District NCO school – 450
Port border command – Vladivostok – 17/14
Counter. radio station – Vladivostok – 12/12
Garrison commandant – Vladivostok – 25/30
District films depot – Vladivostok – 3/3
District signal workshop -2/2
13 Sep. Construction Company – 248/248
14 Sep. Construction Company – 248/248
15 Sep. Construction Company – 248/248
16 Sep. Construction Company – 248/248
Total 17 088/15 099 men

Directly under control of the NKVD Main Directorate of Border Forces:
4 Border Detachment – Arkhangelsk – 1171/987

All border districts: 89 950/78 989 men
Units under direct control of the Directorate – 3900/1377
40 Sep. Special Purpose Motorized Rifle Regiment – Moscow – 2000 men
Aviation units – 2040/1997 men

Assigned to the Directorate:
Special purpose detachment – Moscow – 100/100
Sep. special battalion – 587 authorized
District recruitment offices – 11/11
Policlinic – 14/14
Courses – 535 authorized
Political department – 70 authorized
Garrison commandant of Moscow – 9 authorized
Financial department – 47 authorized
NKVD Military Supply Directorate – 1148 authorized
Military construction organs – 305 authorized
Total 2823 men

Total NKVD Border Forces – 98 915 men authorized/84 724 actual
From:
http://forum.mozohin.ru/index.php?topic=785.0;wap2

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Re: SS vs. NKVD

Post by Art » 13 Sep 2019 07:31

From these OOBs and other sources the following units were activated in the NKVD border forces after the start of mobilization:
37, 38, 41, 42, 43, 48 (later converted to cavalry), 49, 50 Reserve Rifle Regiments - authorized strength 2153 men
44, 45, 47 Reserve Cavalry Regiments - authorized strength - 1267 men
179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185 Reserve Rifle Battalions - authorized strength 661 men. Also 189 Reserve Battalion (Azerbaijan Border District) which somehow disappeared by December 1941, I don't understand what happened with this unit.
190 Reserve Cavalry Battalion - authorized strength 475 men
Special Separate Battalion (later reorganized as 40 Motorized Rifle Regiment) - authorized strength 587 men
Total about 27,000 men. Which would bring authorized strength of NKVD border forces from 168,000 (peace-time) to about 195,000 (wartime). Another article quotes the authorized wartime strength as 192,053 men:
http://forum.mozohin.ru/index.php?topic=1747.0

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Re: SS vs. NKVD

Post by Art » 13 Sep 2019 07:36

Volyn wrote:
20 Aug 2019 19:55
Prior to WW2 were there any examples of organizations operating to such an extent in matters of security and war as the NKVD and SS did?
BTW, Polish Border Defense Corps was in some way similar to NKVD border forces - it was also a military organization controlled by the Ministry of Internal Affairs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Protection_Corps
KOP played quite a large military role in September 1939.

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Re: SS vs. NKVD

Post by Volyn » 13 Sep 2019 13:43

Art wrote:
13 Sep 2019 07:36
Volyn wrote:
20 Aug 2019 19:55
Prior to WW2 were there any examples of organizations operating to such an extent in matters of security and war as the NKVD and SS did?
BTW, Polish Border Defense Corps was in some way similar to NKVD border forces - it was also a military organization controlled by the Ministry of Internal Affairs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Protection_Corps
KOP played quite a large military role in September 1939.
That is an interesting point, but KOP also used regular military officers from other infantry regiments in order to give them real world experience in small unit operations while defending the border. Did NKVD use Red Army officers in the same manner?

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Re: SS vs. NKVD

Post by Art » 13 Sep 2019 16:18

Haven't heard about that.
Which would bring authorized strength of NKVD border forces from 168,000 (peace-time)
Correction: the peace-time strength limit established by the government was 168 138 men, authorized strength of existing units as of June 1941 - 162 178, actual strength - 158 015.

Peace-time strength limit of other components:
Railroad security forces - 63 768
Convoy forces - 38 280 (or 38 311)
Industry security forces - 29 352
Operative forces (without schools) - 27 385
Total NKVD forces (with schools, supply elements etc) - 342 059
That was a ceiling to which the authorized strength of forces maintained by the NKVD was supposed to conform.

The wartime strength limit was 516,000 men as of 25 August 1941.
By components
Railroad security forces - 114 421 (+1800 by the end of October 1941)
Convoy forces - 52 702
Industry security forces - 76 537 (+19 297 by the end of October 1941)
Operative forces - 65 054 (+14 838 redistributed from border forces by 11 December 41)
Plus some 190+ thousand men in border forces, plus schools, supply elements etc. Actual numbers of personnel available were considerably smaller than these limits.

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Re: SS vs. NKVD

Post by Art » 15 Sep 2019 08:48

OOB, strength and location of units NKVD interior forces placed under operational control of Red Army’s fronts.
1. Karelian Front:
Railroad security units:
80 Regiment (2 NKVD Railroad Security Division) – Kandalaksha – 1414 men authorized/1573 actual
155 Regiment (2 NKVD Railroad Security Division) – Povenets – 1075/na
Total Karelian Front: 2489 men authorized/1573 actual

2. Leningrad Front:
Railroad security units:
HQ 2 Division – Leningrad – 116/66
52 Regiment – Timoshkino station – 1692/na
82 Regiment – Leningrad – 1670/1139
51 Regiment – Leningrad – 2276/1507
110 Regiment – Leningrad – 1910/na
Armored Train No.26 – Leningrad – 95/89
Armored Train No.82 – Volkhovstroy [Volkhov] – 114/na
Armored Train No.110 – Levashovo – 95/84
32 Sep. Battalion – Bologoye – 517/517
Total 8485 men

Industry security units:
151 Sep. Battalion – Leningrad – 510/na [1]
166 Sep. Battalion – Leningrad – 774/na [1]
152 Regiment – Vlkhovstroy – 1101/na
167 Sep. Battalion - Leningrad – 714 (1482)/na [1]
95 Sep. Battalion – Leningrad – 532/na
168 Sep. Battalion – Leningrad – 714/na [1]
104 Sep. Battalion – Rzhevka station – 642/na
Commandants (3) – Leningrad – 15/na
HQ 20 Division – Leningrad – 126/na
Rifle regiment – na- 2695/na
Rifle regiment – na - 2695/na
Rifle regiment – na - 2695/na
Sep. signal battalion –na – 263/na
Sep. medical battalion – na - 253/na
Sep. recce company – na – 121/na
Sep. motor transport company – na – 119/na
Firing platoon - na
Field post station – na

Convoy units
225 Regiment – Leningrad – 2246/na
Total Leningrad Front – 25468/3319

3. West Front:

Railroad security units:
53 Regiment/3 Division – na- 2002/na
76 Regiment/3 Division – na – 1395/na
Armored Train No.53 – Moscow – 128/128
Armored Train – Moscow – 128/128
HQ and a company/112 Regiment – Moscow – 581/581
21 Battalion/29 Brigade – Moscow – 527/527
HQ 3 Division – Lipetsk – 113/na
79 Regiment/3 Division – Ranenburg [Chaplygin] – 2334/902
78 Regiment/3 Division – Ranenburg – 2446/129
73 Regiment/3 Division – Ranenburg – 1394/966
115 Regiment/5 Division – Venyov – 1663/1326
Total railroad security: 12717 men

Convoy units:
HQ 42 Brigade – Moscow – 41/135
240 Regiment – Lyublino – 2006/1916
251 Regiment – Shchyolkovo – 2042/2045
226 Regiment – Noginsk – 2042/2003
252 Regiment – Kubinka – 1231/830
23 (?) Regiment – Moscow – 1945/613 [3]
155 Sep. Battalion – Shirokoye – 408/396
Total convoy: 9715 men

Industry security units:
HQ 11 Division – Moscow – 79/75
173 Regiment – Moscow – 1735/1588
174 Regiment – Moscow – 1186/1223
194 Regiment – Moscow – 1799/1645
150 Regiment – Moscow – 1532/1382
165 Regiment – Moscow - 1418/1310
197 Regiment – Rublyovo – 1275/1760
207 Regiment – Moscow – 1432/1375
Commandants (3) – Moscow – 15
Sofrino shooting range – Sofrino station – 28/28

HQ 12 Division – Moscow – 79/71
158 Regiment – Balashikha – 918/944
159 Regiment – Otdykh station – 1365/1280
160 Regiment – Kaliningrad – 1537/1646
164 Regiment – Krasozavodsk – 1326/1266
189 Regiment – Roshal – 1235/1180
199 Regiment – Elekrostal – 1546/1515
196 Regiment – Podolsk – 1236/1473

HQ 69 Brigade – Venyov – 64/59
180 Regiment – Stalinogorsk – 1911/1789
156 Regiment – Tula – 1837/1610
188 Regiment – Ranenburg – 1235
76 Sep. Battalion – Kotovsk – 700/691

Total industry security: 25488
Total West Front: 47916/36528

4. South-West Front
Railroad security units
HQ 4 Division – na – 116/na [2]
55 Regiment – na – 2572/na [2]
56 Regiment – na – 3111/na [2]
57 Regiment – na – 1929/na [2]
34 Sep. Battalion – na - 517/na [2]
81 Sep. Industry Security Battalion – na – 928/na [2]
Commandants (3) – na – 15/na

HQ 5 Division – Liski station – 116/127
54 Regiment – Liski st. – 1990/1446
81 Regiment – Alekseyevka station – 1935/1838
113 Regiment – Starobelsk – 1410/1412
Commandant – Liski st. – 5/5

Industry security units:
HQ 57 Brigade – Burluk station – 64/60
169 Regiment – Burluk st. – 2091/2175
170 Regiment – Burluk st. – 900/889
120 Sep. Battalion – Burluk st. – 561/442
175 Regiment/71 Brigade – Voroshilovgrad – 1859/1867
Total SWF: 20119/10276

5. South Front
Industry security units
HQ 71 Brigade – Kamensk – 65/63
172 Regiment – Krasnodon – 900/886
176 Regiment – Bokovskaya st. – 1235/1207
85 Sep. Battalion – Kamensk – 678/684
89 Sep. Battalion – Kamensk – 877/863

Convoy units:
227 Regiment/13 Division – na – 2246/na
230 Regiment/43 Brigade – Rostov-na-Donu – 2246/1350

Total SF: 9573/5053

Total 5 fronts: 105,565/56,749 men
From a report by kombrig Krivenko and colonel Drosdovsky
http://pogranec.ru/showpost.php?p=948002&postcount=16

[1] Reformed from regiments with the same numbers in September 1914
[2] Mostly destroyed in the Kiev pocket in September 1941
[3] Probably 236 Regiment
The OOB doesn't seem to be complete as several units are missing

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