Tiger losses of sPzAbt GD on the Eastern Front

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Tiger losses of sPzAbt GD on the Eastern Front

Post by Igorn » 18 Jun 2006 10:32

Gents,

I am currently working with some sources on GD panzer losses and found interesting information. So, during only one month of combats of 1943 (29 Sep -29 Oct 1943) GD lost 35 Tigers as a complete write-off!

29 Sep 1943 - 4 Tigers are lost in action
9 Oct 1943 - 5 Tigers are lost in action
18 Oct 1943 - 13 Tigers are lost; 10 Tigers (ex-Pz Lehr) that were on the way to III. Abt Pz Rgt GD are captured by the Russians while being moved by rail
20 Oct 1943 - 7 Tigers are lost in action, 23 Tigers on hand, in action near Krivoi Rog
23 Oct 1943 - 6 Tigers are lost to the end of the month


I am especially interested on the accident happened on October 18th 1943, when 10 Tigers were captured by Russians while being moved by rail. Does somebody can provide details how and where exactly this happened? Thanks in advance.

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Post by leica_r » 19 Jun 2006 09:16

some month reports, sPzAbt GD

26 Aug 43 6 new Tigers arrive, 41 on hand
27 Sep 43 withdrawal across the Dnepr near Kremenchug
20 Oct 43 23 Tigers on hand, in action near Krivoi Rog
16 Nov 43 13 Tigers on hand
21 Dec 43 7 Tigers operational, in combat vicinity of Kirovograd

sPzAbt GD had a dismal autumn of '43...tigers in the mud comes to mind.

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Re: Tiger losses of sPzAbt GD on the Eastern Front

Post by hoot72 » 14 Aug 2017 04:03

Think this was discussed here based on your query: http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21124

a massive russian attack started from the bridgehead near Mischurin Rog on 15.10.1943. The left neighbour of GD was the 9. Panzerdivision. Russian tanks moved through their line without a stop to the railroad Pjatichatki-Bykowo.

The railway station Pjatichatki was in the rear of 9. PD and GD, some trains were standing in the railway station. They were destroyed by russian tanks, which broke through the thin lines of both divisions and hurried to the south. After this, the railway station was retaken, the tanks were destroyed. Many wounded men, which also were on the trains, died.

quoted from Spaeter, Panzerkorps Grossdeutschland and Schneider, TiK.

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Re: Tiger losses of sPzAbt GD on the Eastern Front

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 14 Aug 2017 16:31

I've not seen this thread before and the first thing that I notice is that Panzer Lehr didn't really exist at this date so how is it possible for them to have tried to transfer Tigers to GD ?
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Re: Tiger losses of sPzAbt GD on the Eastern Front

Post by Kingfish » 14 Aug 2017 20:06

Maybe Panzer Lehr is shorthand for the 316 Pz Kp Funklenk that the Tigers were assigned to
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Re: Tiger losses of sPzAbt GD on the Eastern Front

Post by Michael Kenny » 14 Aug 2017 20:43

I also think it is confusion over the 10 Tiger 1 with fkl 316. For sure 3 of the 10 remained with fkl 316 and never got transfered anywhere.

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Re: Tiger losses of sPzAbt GD on the Eastern Front

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 15 Aug 2017 13:28

Kingfish and Michael, thanks for bringing up 316 but the fact is that at the time this thread is discussing 316 didn't have Tigers and nor had it been attached to Panzer Lehr yet. So that doesn't explain the fact that the Leica_r would have us believe that a unit which hadn't been formed yet and which didn't have Tigers anyway is supposed to have put Tigers on a train for transfer to GD.
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Re: Tiger losses of sPzAbt GD on the Eastern Front

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 19 Dec 2021 12:43

Per Jung, 'Panzerregiment Grossdeutschland im Einsatz' :

- 10.10.43 4 PzVI lost (p.136)
- 17.10.43 10 PzVI on railway waggon captured by enemy (p.142)

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