Tank Battle at Studzianki

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Re: Tank Battle at Studzianki

Post by FORBIN Yves » 12 May 2019 10:20

Ok but for 2 questions useless to create a topic but maybe have we one about Lublin–Brest Offensive or for the 2 Polish Armies ?

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Re: Tank Battle at Studzianki

Post by BartekPL » 12 May 2019 10:53

FORBIN Yves wrote:
12 May 2019 10:20
Ok but for 2 questions useless to create a topic but maybe have we one about Lublin–Brest Offensive or for the 2 Polish Armies ?
From what I know, it is not useless to submit a new topic if you have any question/s.


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Re: Tank Battle at Studzianki

Post by BartekPL » 22 Jun 2019 08:52

This publication is mentioning the numbers of tanks and SPGs of Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 "Hermann Göring" and in a few cases 19. Panzer-Divison as below:
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Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 "Hermann Göring":

4th August, 6 PM

57 Pz Kpfw IVs - 46 serviceable,

24 Jagdpanzer IVs - 20 serviceable,

Probably 4 Marders,

Mentioned losses:

2 Pz Kpfw IVs destroyed, 1 Pz Kpfw IV damaged, 4 Wespes damaged,

5th August, around 7 PM

3 Hummels and 3 Wespes subordinated to 17. ID,

56 Pz Kpfw IVs - 43 serviceable,

24 Jagdpanzer IVs - 13 serviceable,

4 Marders - 2 serviceable,

7th August, evening

Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' - 3 Marders,

8th August, evening

55 Pz Kpfw IVs - 23 serviceable, 28 in short-term repair, 4 in long-term repair,

24 Jagdpanzer IVs - 16 serviceable, 7 in short-term repair, 1 in long-term repair,

4 Marders - 3 serviceable, 1 in repair,

Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' - 3 Marders serviceable,

9th August

51 Pz Kpfw IVs, 10 serviceable, 37 in short-term repair, 4 in long-term repair,

22 Jagdpanzer IVs, 9 serviceable, 10 in short-term repair, 3 in long-term repair,

4 Marders, 3 in short-term repair,

The division lost on this day 4 Pz Kpfw IVs and 2 Jagdpanzer IVs

Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' - 3 serviceable Marders,

Polish unit claimed on this day destroying 2 Pz Kpfw IVs, 1 Tiger, 2 APCs, 2 field guns and eliminating around 170 soldiers,

10th August

51 Pz Kpfw IVs, 11 serviceable, 36 in short-term repair, 4 in long-term repair,

22 Jagdpanzer IVs, 10 serviceable, 9 in short-term repair, 3 in long-term repair,

Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' - 3 serviceable Marders,

11th August

The division lost one Pz Kpfw IV and one Jagdpanzer IV,

Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' - lost 2 Marders, 3rd one heavily damaged,

12th August

50 Pz Kpfw IVs, 17 serviceable, 25 in short-term repair, 8 in long-term repair,

20 Jagdpanzer IVs, 9 serviceable, 8 in short-term repair, 3 in long-term repair,

4 Marders in short-term repair,

The division lost one Pz Kpfw IV and one Jagdpanzer IV,

Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' - 1 Marder in long-term repair,

13th August

49 Pz Kpfw IVs, 20 serviceable, 19 in short-term repair, 10 in long-term repair,

20 Jagdpanzer IVs, 12 serviceable,

4 Marders in short-term repair,

The division lost one Pz Kpfw IV,

14th August

HG 47 Pz Kpfw IVs, 22 serviceable,

20 Jagdpanzer IVs, 13 serviceable,

7 Marders, 2 serviceable (the division received 3 new Marders on this day)

The division lost 1 Pz Kpfw IV

Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' - 1 Marder in long-term repair,

15th August

46 Pz Kpfw IVs, 23 serviceable, 13 in short-term repair, 10 in long-term repair,

20 Jagdpanzer IVs, 14 serviceable, 3 in short-term repair, 3 in long-term repair,

7 Marders, 3 in short-term repair, 4 in long-term repair,

One Pz Kpfw IV lost, but reported as lost on 13th August(?),

Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' - 1 Marder in long-term repair,

During fights for Magnuszew bridgehead, lost 11 Pz Kpfw IVs, 4 Jagdpanzer IVs, Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' lost 2 Marders,

19. Panzer-Divison:

7th August - losses - 6 tanks, including PzBefWg V SdKfz 267, other tanks seemingly were Pz Kpfw Vs,

8th August

I./Panzer-Regiment 27.

56 Pz Kpfw Vs - 14 serviceable,

9th August

Kampfgruppe Bayer:

2 serviceable Panthers,

11 serviceable Pz Kpfw IVs

Losses: 1 Pz Kpfw IV,

12th August

Kampfgruppe Bayer:

2 serviceable Pz Kpfw IVs

Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 1260

12th August

9 StuG 40s serviceable, 1 StuG 40 in short-term repair,

13th August

9 StuG 40s serviceable, 1 StuG 40 in short-term repair,

14th August

10 StuG 40s serviceable,

15th August

10 StuG 40s serviceable,


If the information about 19. Panzer-Divison's losses on 7th August include 6 written-off Panthers, then it is fair to reduce claim of the Polish 1st Armored Brigade to maximally 3 destroyed Panthers, as logically it couldn't destroy up to 5 Panthers.
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Re: Tank Battle at Studzianki

Post by BartekPL » 04 Aug 2019 22:47

I checked articles, which provided the losses of Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 "Hermann Göring" for 28.07.1944-15.08.1944 period ("Dywizja Hermann Göring latem 1944 roku na froncie wschodnim" (Militaria XX Wieku, nr 3(6)/2005) author based his article on NARA microfilms only) and 19. Panzer-Division ("Pantery pod Warszawą" (Militaria XX wieku nr 2(5)/2005) author based his article on NARA microfilms and books on 19. Panzer-Division) for 05.08.1944-20.08.1944 period.

The missing irretrievable tank and SPG losses of Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 "Hermann Göring" from before the fights for Magnuszew bridgehead (28.07.1944-03.08.1944 period):

28.07.1944 - 1 Jagdpanzer IV,

29.07.1944 - 6 Jagdpanzers IV and 1 Pz Kpfw IV,

30.07.1944 - 1 Pz Kpfw IV,

31.07.1944 - 2 Pz Kpfw IV,

01.08.1944 - 1 Pz Kpfw IV,

02.08.1944 - no irretrievable tank and SPG losses,

03.08.1944 - no irretrievable tank and SPG losses,

Moreover, according to the same article, within Warsaw Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 "Hermann Göring" lost 2 more Pz Kpfw IV:

05.08.1944 - 1 Pz Kpfw IV,

06.08.1944 - 1 Pz Kpfw IV,

The irretrievable losses suffered during fights for Magnuszew bridgehead:

11 Pz Kpfw IV, 4 Jagdpanzers IV, Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'' lost 2 Marders.

In all:
BartekPL wrote:
11 Apr 2019 17:58
1) Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 "Hermann Göring" losses suffered between 28th July and 15th August:

A) 18 Pz Kpfw IV (destroyed or damaged and captured by Soviet-Polish troops),

B) 11 Jagdpanzer IV (destroyed or damaged and captured by Soviet-Polish troops),

C) 3.397 soldiers KIA, WIA and MIA,


From the moment Polish Brigade entered fights, the Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 "Hermann Göring" lost 5 Pz Kpfw IV, 2 Jagdpanzer IV and 2 Marders of attached Panzer-Grenadier-Lehr-Bataillon "Krampnitz'''.
According to the article on I./Panzer-Regiment 27 it is known that on 07.08.1944, 19. Panzer-Divison lost 6 tanks (irretrievable losses), among them PzBefWg V SdKfz 267, rest seemingly wasn't Pz Kpfw Vs alone, but also Pz Kpfw IVs:

On 8th August the summed up irretrievable losses of Pz Kpfw Vs were 8 Pz Kpfw Vs already. The last of the Pz Kpfw Vs (9 panthers were lost by 19. Panzer-Divison between 05.08.1944 and 20.08.1944) was lost on 10th August. So far I haven't come across day by day losses of 19. Panzer-Divison's Pz Kpfw IVs.

BartekPL wrote:
11 Apr 2019 17:58
2) 19. Panzer-Division losses suffered between 5th and 20th August,

A) 11 Pz Kpfw IV (destroyed or damaged and captured by Soviet-Polish troops),

B) 9 Pz Kpfw V (destroyed or damaged and captured by Soviet-Polish troops),

C) 12 officers, 34 NCOs i 150 privates KIA,

D) 53 officers, 246 NCOs i 826 privates WIA,

E) 26 NCOs i 300 privates MIA,
Since out of 9 panthers of the 19. Panzer-Divison, 8 has been lost before the Polish 1st Armored Brigade entered the fights, to be fair with the numbers, the truth itself and myself - Polish unit couldn't destroy more than 1 Pz Kpfw V (the one lost on 10th August) during the fights, what actually fits perfectly with both reports - of ppłk Malutin and general Chuikov's commission.

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Bartłomiej

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