Books of Viktor Suvorov contains a lot of myths

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Re: Books of Viktor Suvorov contains a lot of myths

Post by 1st Cavalry » 22 Oct 2012 15:13

Omeganian wrote:
1st Cavalry wrote: in addition the amount of combat support vehicles ( refuelers, mobile repair units, bridging equipment , signal , etc) was not up to the task . For instance the 18th mechanized corps had only 23 fuel trucks , that compares badly against 160 or 170 present in the tank brigades involved in combat against the Japanese at Nomohan.
The 2nd seems reasonably well outfitted in that regard.
But it is not , the 1939 tank brigades had 250 tanks and little infantry and artillery attached , those in turn require extra support vehicles.
the number of support vehicles present in the second mechanized corps compares favorably with a German panzer division , but the 2nd mechanized had in fact 2 tank and a motorized division.

The soviets went from 32 light tank brigades to 30 mechanized corps in the time span of one year, the distribution of combat support vehicles was somewhat adequate in the first 9 mechanised corps formed in 1940 but the rest was not.
the 2nd mechanized corps rates average even by soviet toe which was hopefully optimistic : 50% of the required fuel tracks, 33 % of the required mobile repair units.

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Re: Books of Viktor Suvorov contains a lot of myths

Post by Omeganian » 22 Oct 2012 15:37

1st Cavalry wrote:
Omeganian wrote:
1st Cavalry wrote: in addition the amount of combat support vehicles ( refuelers, mobile repair units, bridging equipment , signal , etc) was not up to the task . For instance the 18th mechanized corps had only 23 fuel trucks , that compares badly against 160 or 170 present in the tank brigades involved in combat against the Japanese at Nomohan.
The 2nd seems reasonably well outfitted in that regard.
But it is not , the 1939 tank brigades had 250 tanks and little infantry and artillery attached , those in turn require extra support vehicles.
the number of support vehicles present in the second mechanized corps compares favorably with a German panzer division , but the 2nd mechanized had in fact 2 tank and a motorized division.

The soviets went from 32 light tank brigades to 30 mechanized corps in the time span of one year, the distribution of combat support vehicles was somewhat adequate in the first 9 mechanised corps formed in 1940 but the rest was not.
As of his latest book on the subject, Suvorov writes quite a bit about how this reconstruction was a mistake.

1st Cavalry wrote: the 2nd mechanized corps rates average even by soviet toe which was hopefully optimistic : 50% of the required fuel tracks, 33 % of the required mobile repair units.
There was only half of the full tank complement. If you take the ratio, it actually looks quite good.

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Re: Books of Viktor Suvorov contains a lot of myths

Post by ljadw » 22 Oct 2012 17:49

The Soviet Mechanized Corps were not only incapable to attack,they were also incapable to defend themselves :they were not more than a lot of scrap-iron .

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Re: Books of Viktor Suvorov contains a lot of myths

Post by Omeganian » 23 Oct 2012 06:54

ljadw wrote:The Soviet Mechanized Corps were not only incapable to attack,they were also incapable to defend themselves :they were not more than a lot of scrap-iron .
Suvorov claims that a direct thrust in a a situation of Soviet air superiority is the only thing they would have been good for.

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Re: Books of Viktor Suvorov contains a lot of myths

Post by 1st Cavalry » 23 Oct 2012 13:42

Omeganian wrote:
There was only half of the full tank complement. If you take the ratio, it actually looks quite good.

if you are looking for a corps that had nearly all the combat support vehicles that the soviet table of organisation and equipment intended , that is the 5th mechanized corps ( 1941 Lepel counterstroke )

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