Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Kondor999 » 09 Feb 2010 04:23

I hesitate to post something so simple after this level of erudition, but here goes:

Wow.

This is just incredible info. I was looking for some background to a wargame scenario about State Farm 79 and stumbled on this thread. I immediately joined the site. I have NEVER seen anything so well done, exhaustive and insightful on this series of fascinating battles (Chir river).

Thank you so much.

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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by ATH » 16 Jun 2011 22:08

Hi, rescucitating an old thread :)
Prospecting report No 62 army headquarters "Drill"
To 21.00 2/1/43
map: 100 000 - 41 and 200 000 - 42.

/POWs/
1/1/43 in region a farm No 1 state farm 78 is taken in a captivity the commander 99-th air-defence regiment appointed by the commander the Oblivskaja's garrison.
POW has shown:
«99-th air-defence regiment has arrived on front in 1941 and participated in battles near Leningrad, on the Central front and then has been thrown under Stalingrad. The regiment covered air stations on a railroad line Tatsinskaja - Morozovskaja - Oblivskaja.
The air-defence regiment will consist of 4 divisionals [Vier Abteilungen - Yuri].
1-st and 4-th divisionals [Abteilungen] heavy, everyone will consist of five batteries. In each of these divisions on three batteries of 88mm of guns and on two batteries of 20mm of guns.
3-rd divisional [Abteilung] easy. On arms of him 9 - 37mm of guns and 36 - 20mm of guns.
The site Oblivskaja defended garrison in 2,000 person consisting of different summary battalions.
In battles the Oblivskaja's garrison has lost the killed and wounded 900 soldiers and 27 were missing.
The order to leave Oblivskaja has been received 30/12/42 from the commander of a formation of colonel Shtahel, but owing to break in rear of Your units, the garrison which has lost any management, ran on the south and on a southwest. To Elkin observed manufacture of trench works. About a concentration of reserves and a trace of a defensive strip - knows nothing».
From the image below, you can see the position of KG Obergethmann around Oblivskaja. The 4 abteilungen, some additional units. We know that Hptm Hüttepohl was I./8 Lw.F.D., but who was Hptm Zettner? II./8 Lw.F.D. commander? and who is Lt Hartl? which company was he leading?
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 17 Jun 2011 13:27

ATH wrote:Hi, rescucitating an old thread :)
and who is Lt Hartl? which company was he leading?
2nd battery of 147th spare antiaircraft battalion (Abt.).
147th battalion till November, 20th was in Bataysk (near Rostov).
On November, 22nd have left in Morozovskaya on 200 motor vehicles which requisitioned at rear services in Rostov.
On November, 27th has arrived in Morozovskaya and have been given group of colonel Shtahel(staff, 1st, 2nd and 4th batteries).
2nd battery is directed in Oblivskaya and operated there till December, 27th. Losses 2nd battery: 18 killed, 13 wounded, 7 missing.
3rd battery has been directed in Nizhne-Chirskaya and operated in fighting groups Chekel and Mikosh
5th battery is directed to 354th infantry regiment

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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2011 19:44

River Chir
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The right coast of the river Chir
The left flank of fighting group the Sell a place of a joint with fighting group Schmidt
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View on Surovikino
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The right coast of the river Chir
Vertical breakage at coast
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2011 20:00

Place between ravines Ostrov(Island) and Golaya(Naked)
Starting position before the beginning of counter battle 12/7/42
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Road to a direction on height 155,0
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View on height 155,0 from the east
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2011 20:11

View from height 155,0 in direction a ravine Kalinovskaya
Place of a hell of 7th Lw-FD
(3)Height-155-0-WesternSlope&ScythianStones.jpg
Height 161
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Entrenchment of the German soldier near to height 161
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2011 20:18

Still an entrenchment
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Sleeve from 20 mm of a shell
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Mortr mine
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2011 20:27

LW-Helmet
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Bones of the german soldiers
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Counter
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2011 20:30

Data of other counters found at height 161
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2011 21:28

View on state farm Red Star from height 161
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On December, 7-8th, 1942 in this settlement was lost more than 3000 German soldiers. They are buried directly in settlement in a ravine near this road.
Germans have forced to collect of bodies of victims the inhabitants of settlement.
As corpses was much, and the earth firm from a frost, it was impossible to drip all corpses. Therefore corpses stacked at an abrupt slope of a ravine and have then blown up this slope an explosive. The explosive was stacked by inhabitants under the guidance of the captured Russian sapper who has been wounded in the left hand.
Burial place
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Rests the boot and bone
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2011 21:36

Counters from a burial place in state farm
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 22 Jun 2011 21:56

These counters are found in the field (not joint tombs)
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 23 Jun 2011 05:46

Data from the counters found to the south from Lisinsky. Here there was a right flank 336 ID and battle group Schtumpfeld operating together with it. A place of a joint with battle group Adam ((from which was then 384 ID is created)
Attracts attention, that only one victim from an infantry regiment 336ID. Such situation repeats and in other places.
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 23 Jun 2011 06:31

You seem not not Notice that the Unit on the Erkennunsmarke is normally the unit of training, will say: where the person got his military basic training :wink: Only when the Marke was lost a new one was created. So normally it says nothing about the unit the person belonged to at front line :idea:

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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

Post by Yuri » 23 Jun 2011 09:35

Chir River Battles
Dec 4-22 1942
Chir River: 4 - 22 December 1942
by Russel H.S. Stolfi


The headquarters of the 48th Panzer Corps and the divisions under its command began to arrive in the Chir salient on 4 December 1942.

Relationship of the Chir River Battles to the Stalingrad Pocket - less than 20 miles from Group Adam to the 6th Army.

Manstein set the German 336th Infantry Division, commanded by Major General Walter Lucht, under the operational control of the panzer corps and this steady, veteran Saxon unit completed its deployment close to the Chir River by 6 December in the face of mounting Soviet pressure against the stopgap alarm units already in position.
I only wished to specify in narrowness of knowledge of those people, which, as professor Russel H.S. Stolfi or You, studies operations on fronts GPW under the semi-mythical writing army generals of Wehrmacht. Under what microscope here it is possible to see «veteran Saxon»?

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