Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)

[FORBIN Yves]

I search how many tanks have the 11th Pz the total when she arrrived the 07/12

I have see but operationnal tanks not the total
In Panzertruppen Vol 2 they have all number of tanks operationnals for Ps/ID Mot to 19/11/42

11 Pz : 78 : 6 Pz IV 75L + 49 Pz III 50L + 9 Pz III 50k + 11 Pz II + 3 Pz Command

If one have the total please

Chir River Battles
Dec 4-22 1942
Orders of Battle: German and Soviet
by Russel H.S. Stolfi

Chir River Battles (4-22 December 1942)

German 11th Panzer Division (Generalleutnant Hermann Balck)
15th Panzer Regiment
110th Panzer Grenadier Regt
111th Panzer Grenadier Regt
231st Antitank Battalion
61st Motorcycle Battalion
119th Panzer Artillery Regt
231st Panzer Recon Battalion
231st Panzer Engr Battalion
231st Panzer Signal Battalion

TO&E Strength Nov 42: Approx 14,000 men, 104 tanks
Actual Strength Nov 42: Approx 11,500 men, 75 tanks
German 7th Luftwaffe Field Division (After approx 9 Dec 42)

Sources: Mitcham, Hitler's Legions, pp. 230,362,430, and Ziemke, Defeat in the East, p. 506. Actual strengths estimated by author.

[Yuri]

I search how many tanks have the 11th Pz the total when she arrrived the 07/12

I have see but operationnal tanks not the total
In Panzertruppen Vol 2 they have all number of tanks operationnals for Ps/ID Mot to 19/11/42

11 Pz : 78 : 6 Pz IV 75L + 49 Pz III 50L + 9 Pz III 50k + 11 Pz II + 3 Pz Command

If one have the total please

7 December is 75th anniversary of the battle for sovkhoz 79 (state farm "Red Star").

[Yuri]

[Yuri]

[Yuri]

1942-11-21
AG Mitte AOK4 Pz11 in Roslawl

KTB Pz11 December 42

[Yuri]

Pz 11 in Millerowo
1942-11-27 Chir Front
Gr.Hollidt_XXXXVIIIPzK_AOK3(rum)_Gr.Spang_Gr.Stahel_Gr.Schtumpfeld

On this map the position of the German groups on the lower Chir (Oblivskaya-Surovikino-Nizhne-Chirskaya) shows is no correct

[Yuri]

[Art]

So we've got:
In tank companies 73 Pz-III and 10 Pz-IV
In HQs of tank battalions and the tank regiment: 4 radio (command) tanks, 21 Pz-II (?), 18 (9) Pz-III
What do numbers in parenthesis stand for?

[Yuri]

So we've got:
In tank companies 73 Pz-III and 10 Pz-IV
In HQs of tank battalions and the tank regiment: 4 radio (command) tanks, 21 Pz-II (?), 18 (9) Pz-III
What do numbers in parenthesis stand for?

Not sure, but if looking ahead to look Pazerlage on 13.12.42 the 11th PzD there were:
Pz III long - 30 and Pz III kurz - 7.
Perhaps in parentheses is the number - Pz III kurz,
and without brackets is the number of tanks Pz III - total.

[Art]

Wasn't one tank battalion left with the Army Group Center? That's the same Gliederung as posted above but from files of Romanian 3 Army/Armeeabteilung Hollidt:


Also this tank battalion on situation map from 24.11.42:

[Yuri]

Hi, Art,
a little patience,
I will introduce Meldung without regard to I./Pz.Rg.15.
Meldung on 01.12.1942 was made only 21.12.1942

[Yuri]

Until December 2, 1942 48PzK (22PzD; rum1MD; rum7KD) on average Chir.

4 Dec staff 48PzK moved to lower Chir in Nizhne-Chirskaya.

The combat strength of 48PzK - 11PzD; Gr. ADAM; Gr. Heilmann.

[Yuri]

HG Don Gliederung 3-Dec-42

Alarm Btl 3A(rum)

[Yuri]

[Yuri]

Gr Stumpfeld