Status XXXXVIII Pz.Corrps (11.PzDiv, 336.ID, 384.ID /formerly Gr.Adam/ 7.Lw.FD, Gr.Stumpfeld and Gr.Burgstaller)
Stand 19.12.1942
Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)
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Summary for 11.PzDiv von 1.-19.12.42
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)
«The mystery» regarding the 9.Lw.F.Div. disclosed.
AlarmEinheiten of 9.Flakdiv.
This document is compiled on 5.11.42. (i'm show only those pages that are useful to us)
Vertical line – groups in the area of the lower Chir river.
All batteries of I./5 FlakAbt traveled 20.11.42 on strengthening 22.Pz.Div (positions 57-64).
The personal of this division in the battle for state farm 79 was not involved.
Position 73 - AlarmEinheiten «1 Zug Nachschubführe 9.Flakdiv».
This group is indicated in the list of Gruppe Schtumpfeld in the part of "bei Selle".
AlarmEinheiten of 9.Flakdiv.
This document is compiled on 5.11.42. (i'm show only those pages that are useful to us)
Vertical line – groups in the area of the lower Chir river.
All batteries of I./5 FlakAbt traveled 20.11.42 on strengthening 22.Pz.Div (positions 57-64).
The personal of this division in the battle for state farm 79 was not involved.
Position 73 - AlarmEinheiten «1 Zug Nachschubführe 9.Flakdiv».
This group is indicated in the list of Gruppe Schtumpfeld in the part of "bei Selle".
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)
Forming groups of 9.Flakdivision for ground combat.
A list of Groups, "Kampftruppe"s and companies, their namens, composition and location.
A list of Groups, "Kampftruppe"s and companies, their namens, composition and location.
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The Gruppe Dorn disbanded 5.12.42.
Two companys this Gruppe (1. and 3.Lw.Schütz.Komp.9.Flakdiv.) entered in Group Ehm.
1.Lw.Schütz.Komp.9.Flakdiv. received anti-aircraft guns in Tormosin
5 December in Group Ehm attached for tactical use 3./147 from res.147 Flak.Abt. Before that, this battery was in Surovikino (Kampfgruppe Schmidt). Res147.Flak.Abt. was not part of structure 9.Flakdiv. and I.FlakKorp. - belonged to Lw.Gau Rostov.
Two companys this Gruppe (1. and 3.Lw.Schütz.Komp.9.Flakdiv.) entered in Group Ehm.
1.Lw.Schütz.Komp.9.Flakdiv. received anti-aircraft guns in Tormosin
5 December in Group Ehm attached for tactical use 3./147 from res.147 Flak.Abt. Before that, this battery was in Surovikino (Kampfgruppe Schmidt). Res147.Flak.Abt. was not part of structure 9.Flakdiv. and I.FlakKorp. - belonged to Lw.Gau Rostov.
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)
2.Lw.Schutz.Komp. until 21.12.42 acted together with 336.I.D. (The company commander Oblt. Schneider wounded 6.12.42.)
2.Lw.Schutz.Komp.9.Flakdiv. loose 22.12.42. The personal is distributed between 1. and 3.Lw.Schutz.Komp.9.Flakdiv. and I./5 FlakAbt.
With 14.12.42 4.Lw.Jg.Komp became refer as 4./schw.Lw.Jg.Rgt.29
2.Lw.Schutz.Komp.9.Flakdiv. loose 22.12.42. The personal is distributed between 1. and 3.Lw.Schutz.Komp.9.Flakdiv. and I./5 FlakAbt.
With 14.12.42 4.Lw.Jg.Komp became refer as 4./schw.Lw.Jg.Rgt.29
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Lw.Schutzen.Kompanie is not an improvisation of commanders on the front line.
These companies were created in the 4th Aair Fleet by order of the Rihtgoffen, which argued that the requirements of the Reichsmarschal's and Fuhrer's appeals.
Was installed Gliederung for Lw.Schutz.Kompanie
These companies were created in the 4th Aair Fleet by order of the Rihtgoffen, which argued that the requirements of the Reichsmarschal's and Fuhrer's appeals.
Was installed Gliederung for Lw.Schutz.Kompanie
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Schw.4.Lw.J. G. Batl.I. - a company of I./15.Lw.Feld.Div. (although the document States 15.Flak.Div), who arrived in the region of state farm 79 from the East Bank of the river of Don.
Here this company additionally received 8.8 cm and 2 cm Flak, eventually had 2 8.8 cm and 6 2 cm Flak (from I./Flak.Reg.5). In Lfl.4 was two Field Divisions -5.Lw.Feld.Div and 15.Lw.Feld.Div. Gliederung of 15.Lw.Feld.Div exactly the same as 5.Lw.Feld.Div.
There is only a Sketch for 5.Lw.Feld.Div.
Here this company additionally received 8.8 cm and 2 cm Flak, eventually had 2 8.8 cm and 6 2 cm Flak (from I./Flak.Reg.5). In Lfl.4 was two Field Divisions -5.Lw.Feld.Div and 15.Lw.Feld.Div. Gliederung of 15.Lw.Feld.Div exactly the same as 5.Lw.Feld.Div.
There is only a Sketch for 5.Lw.Feld.Div.
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)
In addition, Richthofen demanded that Lw.Kampftruppe be created from disparate anti-aircraft batteries for the ground of battle (Inf.- Panzer-Abwehr and Inf.- Art.- Angriff).
At the same time, the strength of Lw.Kampftrupp should be not less battery.
So, Lw.Kampftruppe is a temporary Lw.Schutz.Komp.
Two or more Lw.SchutzenKompanie and/or Lw.Kampftruppe formed the Group.
From several Groups created the Lw.Schutzt.Reg.
In the region of state farm 79, namely, in the area between Surovikino (South of Novo-Derbenevskiy - Nizhne-Chirskaya), in mid-December 1942, was created Lw.Schütz.Reg. D.(or another name Schutz.Gr./9.Flak.)
Lw.Sch.Reg.D.: 1.-3.Lw.Schutz.Komp., schw.4.Lw.J.G.Batl.I., Gruppe Ehm (Lw.Kampftrupp Ehm and Lw.Kampftrupp Quaiser), 3.III/FAS, 3./147 res.Flak.Abt.
3./147 for tactical use, the reserve 147.Flak.Abt. belonged to VIII.Flg.Korp.
I'm was wrong to assume that between Schutz.Gr./9.Flak and 7.Lw.FD there is a close connection. There is absolutely no interaction between these structures. Documents nothing not mentioned 7.Lw.FD. Mentioned interaction with: Gr.Adam, Gr.Stumpfeld, Gr.Selle, Gr.Heilmann, 336.I.D., 384.I.D., 11.Pz.D., XXXXVIII.Pz.K. but no 7.Lw.FD or 8.Lw.FD
At the same time, the strength of Lw.Kampftrupp should be not less battery.
So, Lw.Kampftruppe is a temporary Lw.Schutz.Komp.
Two or more Lw.SchutzenKompanie and/or Lw.Kampftruppe formed the Group.
From several Groups created the Lw.Schutzt.Reg.
In the region of state farm 79, namely, in the area between Surovikino (South of Novo-Derbenevskiy - Nizhne-Chirskaya), in mid-December 1942, was created Lw.Schütz.Reg. D.(or another name Schutz.Gr./9.Flak.)
Lw.Sch.Reg.D.: 1.-3.Lw.Schutz.Komp., schw.4.Lw.J.G.Batl.I., Gruppe Ehm (Lw.Kampftrupp Ehm and Lw.Kampftrupp Quaiser), 3.III/FAS, 3./147 res.Flak.Abt.
3./147 for tactical use, the reserve 147.Flak.Abt. belonged to VIII.Flg.Korp.
I'm was wrong to assume that between Schutz.Gr./9.Flak and 7.Lw.FD there is a close connection. There is absolutely no interaction between these structures. Documents nothing not mentioned 7.Lw.FD. Mentioned interaction with: Gr.Adam, Gr.Stumpfeld, Gr.Selle, Gr.Heilmann, 336.I.D., 384.I.D., 11.Pz.D., XXXXVIII.Pz.K. but no 7.Lw.FD or 8.Lw.FD
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)
The headquarters of 9.Flakdiv. amounted to 18 November 1942 Gliederung also the situation of their units and their use.
I'm pointed out Abteilungs and battery, which took part in the battle for State Farm 79
I'm pointed out Abteilungs and battery, which took part in the battle for State Farm 79
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)
Sketch on 19.11 no names of the commanders of Regiments and Abteilungs, not here is the rear units.
Such information is on the sketch of 1.Flakkorp. for 02.11.42. (I'm cut part of the sketch, left only for 9.Flakdiv.).
Two sketches help to better see the equipment of 9.Flakdiv.
However, we must not forget that the distribution of Abteilungs between the regiments on 02.11.42 differ from the distribution on 19.11.42.
The main rear base and ammunition depot of this division was to Tormosin.
Such information is on the sketch of 1.Flakkorp. for 02.11.42. (I'm cut part of the sketch, left only for 9.Flakdiv.).
Two sketches help to better see the equipment of 9.Flakdiv.
However, we must not forget that the distribution of Abteilungs between the regiments on 02.11.42 differ from the distribution on 19.11.42.
The main rear base and ammunition depot of this division was to Tormosin.
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)
List of Abteilung and other units of 9.Flakdiv in Stalingrad.
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Lw.Sch.Gr./9.Flak (Lw.Sch.Reg.D.) received from 4 th air fleet replenishment - Lw.Arbeit.Abt.
How was used this Lw.Arbeit.Abt. i'm haven't know.
It is possible that this is Arbeit.Abt. which is fully (300 people without weapons) was captured by a cavalry division.
All captured Cossacks cut down, left three people who were sent to a staff of army for interrogation.
I learned about the cruel fate of this battalion from the Protocol of interrogation of one of these POW.
The battalion came from Denmark (a small island in the North sea), the soldiers were sick, – stomach disease, - received dietary food.
The battalion built a fortification.
On 21 November, the soldiers announced that the German 6th army was encircled in Stalingrad, the German command gather the powers to release the army.
That takes time. The battalion is to help hold the front while the forces for liberation are assembled.
The battalion moved from Denmark to Morozovskaya on planes and gliders with landings of Germany, Poland and Ukraine. Landed on a large airfield in Morozovskaya.
From Morozovskaya gone on foot, weapons had to get at the front.
We went to the front line for three or four days, very hungry, the commander got lost, the cards were wrong.
They were walking along the bottom of a large ravine (balka), suddenly attacked by Russian cavalrymen from all sides and began to cut soldiers. The soldiers ran, the cavalrymen gathered about thirty Germans. Three soldiers (including the prisoner of war) were taken aside, and the others were cut with swords.
The Protocol does not specify which cavalry unit of the Red Army captured this German soldier.
I'm tried to find the documents of Red Army, where there could be such a case (event).
But, to no avail.
Most likely, this occurred in the area South of heighs 161 and 156,6: namely, the line: height 106,6 – Lisinskiy – Blizhe-Melnichny
From the Red Army here on the West Bank of the Chir river were 5th and 6th Guards Cavalry dDvisions, and on the East Bank the 32nd Cavalry Division of 3rd Guards Cavalry Corps.
According to the documents of the 9.Flakdiv., it was here before 16 Dec was a 1. and 3.Lw.Sch.Komp.
There are many large and deep ravines (balkas) on this section, there was no continuous front line.
On the German map scale 1:300 000 the punkt Sulatskiy is indicated so that it is located on the German side of the front line.
However, in reality, Sulatsky is located East of the height of 161, in the floodplain of the river Chir. In Sulatskiy was the Russians, not the Germans.
How was used this Lw.Arbeit.Abt. i'm haven't know.
It is possible that this is Arbeit.Abt. which is fully (300 people without weapons) was captured by a cavalry division.
All captured Cossacks cut down, left three people who were sent to a staff of army for interrogation.
I learned about the cruel fate of this battalion from the Protocol of interrogation of one of these POW.
The battalion came from Denmark (a small island in the North sea), the soldiers were sick, – stomach disease, - received dietary food.
The battalion built a fortification.
On 21 November, the soldiers announced that the German 6th army was encircled in Stalingrad, the German command gather the powers to release the army.
That takes time. The battalion is to help hold the front while the forces for liberation are assembled.
The battalion moved from Denmark to Morozovskaya on planes and gliders with landings of Germany, Poland and Ukraine. Landed on a large airfield in Morozovskaya.
From Morozovskaya gone on foot, weapons had to get at the front.
We went to the front line for three or four days, very hungry, the commander got lost, the cards were wrong.
They were walking along the bottom of a large ravine (balka), suddenly attacked by Russian cavalrymen from all sides and began to cut soldiers. The soldiers ran, the cavalrymen gathered about thirty Germans. Three soldiers (including the prisoner of war) were taken aside, and the others were cut with swords.
The Protocol does not specify which cavalry unit of the Red Army captured this German soldier.
I'm tried to find the documents of Red Army, where there could be such a case (event).
But, to no avail.
Most likely, this occurred in the area South of heighs 161 and 156,6: namely, the line: height 106,6 – Lisinskiy – Blizhe-Melnichny
From the Red Army here on the West Bank of the Chir river were 5th and 6th Guards Cavalry dDvisions, and on the East Bank the 32nd Cavalry Division of 3rd Guards Cavalry Corps.
According to the documents of the 9.Flakdiv., it was here before 16 Dec was a 1. and 3.Lw.Sch.Komp.
There are many large and deep ravines (balkas) on this section, there was no continuous front line.
On the German map scale 1:300 000 the punkt Sulatskiy is indicated so that it is located on the German side of the front line.
However, in reality, Sulatsky is located East of the height of 161, in the floodplain of the river Chir. In Sulatskiy was the Russians, not the Germans.
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Re: Battle of Sovkhoz «Red Star» (Sovkhoz 79)
A little bit about units of 9.Flakdiv., whose actions, according to the documents of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht are observed in the area of Sovkhoz 79.
19.11.
lei.91 Flak.Abt. and 3./241 was in Nizhny-Chir the task the air defense of stations CIR, the railbridge of Don and the road bridge across the river Chir near Blizhne-Melnechny.
3./III./FAS (5 cm Geschutzt) protection of the bridge across the Don river at Kalach (23.11 the bridge captured 26ТC 5TA).
Along with this battery from Kalach to Chir left Flak-GAST.
Interesting moment. Batteries 5 cm to Stalingrad were in Brest (Western France) and on the Banks of Channel (English channel).
November 19 I./5 was located in Surovikino-Petrovka.
This Abteilung operated in conjunction with 22.Pz.Div. (tanks which "ate" a mouse ) Bol.Dontschinka-Petrovka-Chernyshevskaya.
Let me remind you that in 29.11 in Chernyshevskaya came von Mellentin (chief of staff XXXXVIII.Pz.K.).
Von Mellentin and his staff left from Chernyshevskaya to Nizhne-Chirskaya on December 4.
Abteilung I./Flak.Reg.5 arrived here from Kuteinikov in mid-December, however, as an independent unit did not operate. Platoons and batterys this Abteilung went on the sites of other Lw.Schut.Komp. and Lw.Groups.
19.11.
lei.91 Flak.Abt. and 3./241 was in Nizhny-Chir the task the air defense of stations CIR, the railbridge of Don and the road bridge across the river Chir near Blizhne-Melnechny.
3./III./FAS (5 cm Geschutzt) protection of the bridge across the Don river at Kalach (23.11 the bridge captured 26ТC 5TA).
Along with this battery from Kalach to Chir left Flak-GAST.
Interesting moment. Batteries 5 cm to Stalingrad were in Brest (Western France) and on the Banks of Channel (English channel).
November 19 I./5 was located in Surovikino-Petrovka.
This Abteilung operated in conjunction with 22.Pz.Div. (tanks which "ate" a mouse ) Bol.Dontschinka-Petrovka-Chernyshevskaya.
Let me remind you that in 29.11 in Chernyshevskaya came von Mellentin (chief of staff XXXXVIII.Pz.K.).
Von Mellentin and his staff left from Chernyshevskaya to Nizhne-Chirskaya on December 4.
Abteilung I./Flak.Reg.5 arrived here from Kuteinikov in mid-December, however, as an independent unit did not operate. Platoons and batterys this Abteilung went on the sites of other Lw.Schut.Komp. and Lw.Groups.