Hitler's Changing View of the Soviet Union

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Hitler's Changing View of the Soviet Union

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Post by michael mills » 21 Dec 2002, 15:49

Leftist historiography posits that Hitler was always committed to an attack on the Soviet Union for two basic ideological reasons, one to seize "Lebensraum" for Germany, and two to extirpate Judeo-Bolshevism. It holds that he never wavered from that commitment, which in itself is sufficient to explain the German attack in 1941.

However, there is reason to believe that Hitler modified his view of the Soviet Union in 1939, under the influence of Ribbentrop, seeing it as a "post-Bolshevik" state that he could work with, and that he abandoned his earlier views expressed in "Mein Kampf", in which he was influenced by Hess and Rosenberg. According to this view, he decided on a policy of co-operation with the Soviet Union, and only gave up that policy for strategic reasons, when that co-operation broke down due to Soviet expansionism.

Here is what Tasca says on the matter ("Russo-German Alliance", pp. 73-77):
According to various popular accounts, Hitler and Stalin signed the pacts of August and September, 1939, with every intention of repudiating them as soon as an opportunity arose, and then of flying at each other's throats.

There is no documentary evidence for this assumption. Hitler and Stalin were under no illusions about each other, and there was nothing sentimental in their estimate of each other's character. Both were well aware that the pact between them was founded on self-interest, and that self-interest could destroy it. If the volte-face of August had gone a little to their heads it was because they were still adding up the very considerable profits which it had brought them. There was, too, a certain amount of Schadenfreude on both sides at the thought of the consternation which the news would cause among statesmen and ordinary people in London, Paris and all over the world, since such a turn of events was the last thing anybody believed possible.

THis "realism" was, of course, at once the strength and the weakness of their new-found friendship. At a conference with his army chiefs on 23rd November, 1939, Hitler quoted Bismarck as his authority for the statment that "pacts only last as long as they are useful in fulfilling their purpose", and added that Russia for her part would observe them only "so long as she considers them to be to her advantage".

Nevertheless, Hitler and Stalin were convinced that the vital interests of the two Governments could overlap for a considerable time. Hitler had to "digest" Poland, overthrow France, and vanquish Britain, after which he would be in control of the whole of Europe behind a "wall" running from the Baltic frontiers "to the Danube estuary". Victory would also secure for him those colonial resources outside Europe which he later mentioned to Serrano Suner during the latter's visit to Berlin in September, 1939. This programme was quite enough to put the Russian problem into cold storage for a long time to come, even if some day he thought of expanding it. All the evidence of Hitler's intimates agrees in attributing to him the idea, which he had very much at heart during the first few months of the pact, that the Russian agreement "was a very great act of diplomacy", and that it was capable of lasting a long time. Goering clearly remembered that in August, 1939, Hitler told him "I am determined to work with Russia for a long time". Hitler himself told Mussolini when they met on the Brenner that his decision to collaborate with Russia was the result of prolonged deliberation and would not be changed: "The Fuehrer has decided to maintain friendly relations with that country in future".
In one of the versions which have reached us of Hitler's speech to the military chiefs on 22nd August, 1939, just before Ribbentrop left for Moscow, Hitler gave what was intended to be a very flattering opinion of Stalin by considering him as his equal. "Stalin and I are the only people who have considered the future"; in other words, the only people capable of building a structure that would last.

Hitler thought of history as a drama in which parts were played by distinguished people. He could see only "three great statesmen", himself, Stalin and Mussolini. He was wrong about Mussolini because his judgement was warped by friendship. But there was no such bias where Stalin was concerned, and Hitler was convinced that the pacts would be observed as long as Stalin was alive. He expressed this opinion to Admiral Raeder at the conference on 25th November, 1939: "As long as Stalin is in power, it is certain that she [Russia] will adhere strictly to the pact made. Her political attitude may change after years of building up her internal strength, particularly if Stalin is overthrown or dies". Hitler "was a great admirer of Stalin and was only afraid that he might be replaced by some extremist". This also to a great extent explains why, after the armistice with France, the bookshops were painstakingly stripped by the "Otto list" of all Trotsky's works while Stalin's were left alone, and why the German censorship prohibited any "discussion of Stalin" until June, 1941. Again, on the last day of 1940, when military preparations against Russia were well under way, he wrote to Mussolini: "I do not anticipate that the Russians will take the initiative as long as Stalin is alive and as long as we ourselves do not have any serious crises".

But Hitler was not quite so under the spell of the Russian pact as were Goering and, particularly, Ribbentrop, both of whom claimed the honour of being the first to suggest the idea of a rapprochement to Hitler.

When Ciano went to Berlin on 1st October, a few days after the signing of the second Moscow pact, he found Ribbentrop to be "all out for the Russians" and wild in his praise of the BOlsheviks.

THis attitude was also based on an error - the same as was made by Russia's Western allies after June, 1941. On his return from Moscow, Ribbentrop told Hitler that "the Communist revolution had reached a reasonable stage of development", and that an understanding with the Bolsheviks was therefore possible. On 1st October he assured Ciano that Stalin had become the real champion of Russian nationalism, and shortly afterwards, in March, 1940, "that Stalin had given up the idea of a world revolution" and that "Russia was not only on the way to becoming a normal national state but had already gone some distance along this path". Hitler expressed similar views a few days later, although he spoke rather less positiviely. During their meeting at the Brenner he said to Mussolini: "It seems that Russia is undergoing a far-reaching evolution, and the path which Stalin has taken appears to lead towards a kind of Slav-Muscovite nationalism and to be a move away from Bolshevism of a Jewish-International character". Again in March, on the 21st, one of Ribbentrop's envoys explained to M. Gafencu, then Rumanian Foreign Minister, what his chief in the Wilhelmstrasse thought of political developments in the USSR. Ribbentrop "came back from Moscow convinced that Russia was no longer a Bolshevik state but, inder the clear-sighted leadership of its Fuehrer, was making giant strides to a nationalist regime fundamentally socialist. Was not the exceptionally keen interest shown by the Soviet leaders in the ancient frontiers of Holy Russia an additional proof of their nationalisitc evolution? Such a regime, whose understanding of the political trend of the Axis steadily increased, and whose regard for the Jews steadily diminished had, according to Ribbentrop, all the qualifications necessary to collaborate in maintaining peace in Eastern Europe".

This illusion was also shared by Mussolini, for in October, 1939, he intended to explain to the Italian people that Bolshevism was finished in Russia and had been replaced by a sort of Slav Fascism.

All this was an optical illusion arising out of the kind of half-truths which increase a blunder by confusing the issues. But in Hitler's Russian policy there was another thread, leading back to the Bismarckian tradition. Hitler himself was not much affected by it, but it had retained a strong influence in military and diplomatic circles, especially at the Reich Embassy in Moscow.
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Post by michael mills » 22 Dec 2002, 03:08

Here is some further material on the topic, from the book "Poland to Pearl Harbor", by William Carr (1985).

Pages 112-114:
Most historians attribute Hitler's decision to attack Russia almost entirely to his obsession with the destruction of 'Jewish Bolshevism' and the acquisition of Lebensraum in the east. According to the neat-and-tidy interpretation all his actions from the re-occupation of the Rhineland to the attack on France were preparatory steps to the grand assault on 'Jewish Bolshevik' Russia which he had dreamed of since 1924; and all deviations from this programme, such as the Russo-German Pact, were purely tactical manoeuvres forced on him by circumstances and quickly repudiated as soon as practicable.

No one familiar with the structure of decision-making in the Third Reich would deny that Hitler's pathological hang-ups about Jewry were a major policy determinant; without the consent and active encouragement of Hitler the systematic extermination of European Jewry between 1942 and 1944 would have been quite inconceivable. Nevertheless, it is at least arguable that the evidence, such as it is, does not really permit the same degree of confidence about the primacy of ideological commitment in the decision to attack Russia.

Hitler's references in the autumn of 1939 to the temporary nature of the pact and his reiterated belief that states only kept agreements as long as it suited them, though sometimes construed as evidence of long-term ambitions in the east, may have been intended only to reassure his deeply anti-Bolshevik audience that he still knew what he was doing. On the other hand, his reference to eastern Poland as 'a military concentration point for the future' and his instruction that all roads and railways in the area be kept in good order is, admittedly, less easy to explain away. But his remarks to his comanders in November 1939 that only when Germany was free in the west could she 'oppose Russia' was less a proleptic hint of German policy than an argument ad hominem to overcome opposition to the impending campaign in the west for it is clear that he was perfectly satisfied with Russian behaviour at that time. And turning to the summer of 1940 one must remember that Hitler's oft-quoted remark during the western campaign to Rundstedt and General Georg von Sodenstern, chief of staff at Army Group B, that once England made peace he would concentrate on 'his real mission: the conflict with bolshevism' comes from an unreliable source [Sodenstern did not reveal Hitler's comment until 1954 which casts doubt on its authenticity]. Similarly, one must treat with caution Jodl's comment in 1943 that three years previously, again during the western campaign, Hitler told him of his 'fundamental decision' to take steps against this danger [ie from Russia] the moment our militray position made it possible'.

There is at least as much evidence that in the winter of 1939-40 Hitler's views on Russia were on the point of undergoing a metamorphosis as he started to revert to the opinions he expressed when he first entered politicis in 1919 and before Rosenberg persuaded him that Russia in the grip of 'Jewish bolshevism' was the mortal foe of Germany. Even before the Russo-German Pact was signed there were signs that Hitler and Ribbentrop were beginning to think that Russia was abandoning her revolutionary aspirations in favour of old-style tsarist absolutism. In July Ribbentrop, in conversation with the Bulgarian minister president, remarked that changes were taking place within bolshevism the significance of which had yet to be assessed but that a normalization of relations with Russia might well be achieved. In August Hitler told the Hungarian foreign minister that Russia might be putting on 'a nationalist helmet'. Her internationalism was receding into the background he told his military commanders in November. In March 1940 he assured Mussolini, who was greatly concerned about the new Russo-German friendship, that the 'Jewish international leadership' of Moscow had been the fundamental reason for Nazi opposition to Russia. If bolshevism was now changing over to a 'Russian state ideology' this was a reality which could not be ignored. And he reminded the Duce that Germany and Russia had 'often lived in peace and friendship for very long periods of time'. Ribbentrop took up the same theme with the Duce two days later declaring even more emphatically that Stalin had abandoned the idea of world revolution. Since Litvinov's abrupt dismissal in May 1939 - an event which deeply impressed Hitler - there were no more Jews in Russia's central agencies; on the contrary, as Ribbentrop could confirm from personal experience, the Politburo was staffed by Muscovites with little interest in the outside world. A day later Ribbentrop told Pope Pius XII, a bitter opponent of communism, of the 'firm and lasting basis for a positive friendship' between Germany and Russia. Finally, on 18 March at the Brenner meeting with Mussolini Hitler, while conceding that bitter necessity had forced Germany and Russia together and that bolshevism and National Socialism remained ideologically incompatible, still insisted that Russia was undergoing a great transformation. Jews were being forced out of the central administration and bolshevism 'had discarded its Muscovite-Jewish and international character and assumed a Slavic-Muscovite character'. Of course, one cannot overlook the distinct possibility that Hitler and Ribbentrop were deliberately concealing from the Italians their intention of escalating the war in the near future. On the other hand, at the very end of his days, with the Third Reich crashing about his ears in February 1945, a moment of truth if ever there was one, Hitler still maintained that for a year he had hoped that a durable 'if not unreservedly friendly' entente with Russia confined to economic collaboration would have been possible because he believed Stalin 'would have rid himself of the nebulous Marxist ideology' largely because he had dealt so ruthlessly with the Jewish intelligentsia. Whether this process of ideological reassessment would have continued had it not been for the dramatic events of the summer of 1940 we will never know. But the episode does at least cast some doubt on the belief that Hitler pursued the same old ideological objective relentlessly and without equivocation from 1939 to 1941.

[Note by me. The sentence beginning "On the other hand, at the very end of his days..." and ending "...with the Jewish intelligentsia" is sourced from the book "The Testament of Adolf Hitler" edited by francois Genoud. That book is strongly suspected being a forgery by Genoud himself, designed to rationalise Hitler's ideas. Therefore, I would discount Carr's use of that material, and disregard it as an item of proof of the thesis that Hitler's view of the Soviet Union changed. Nevertheless, it is obvious that there is plenty of genuine evidence supporting that thesis].
If Hitler did change his view of the Soviet Union, such that he no longer regarded it as an ideological enemy, the stronghold of 'Hewish bolshevism', then his later switch to an attitude of confronting the Soviet Union, beginning from June 1940, must have been due to strategic rather than ideological considerations, and was a reaction to Soviet behaviour. That is certainly what Carr believes; on page 115 he writes:
All the more surprising; therefore, that when Hitler revealed his intention [to confront the Soviet Union militarily] to a wider circle of senoir officers at the Berghof on 31 July he defended his decision not in terms of ideological commitment but of global strategy. Possibly his knowledge that some officers had reservations explains his careful avoidance of ideological terminology. Yet his standing with the generals was at its zenith and he had no need to fear that a deeply anti-bolshevik officer corps would find his own fanticism repugnant. This does suggest that global strategy was still the consideration uppermost in his mind.


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Post by Roberto » 23 Dec 2002, 19:35

michael mills wrote:Leftist historiography posits that Hitler was always committed to an attack on the Soviet Union for two basic ideological reasons, one to seize "Lebensraum" for Germany, and two to extirpate Judeo-Bolshevism. It holds that he never wavered from that commitment, which in itself is sufficient to explain the German attack in 1941.
I wonder what authors are supposed to represent this "leftist historiography".

William Shirer ?
[...]From the captured Nazi documents and from the testimony of many leading German figures in the great drama that was being played over the vast expanse of Western Europe that year, it is plain that at the very moment of Stalin’s monumental complacency Hitler had in fact been mulling over in his mind the idea of turning on the Soviet Union and destroying her.

The basic idea went back much further, at least fifteen years - to Mein Kampf.

And so we National Socialists [Hitler wrote] take up where we broke off six hundred years ago. We stop the endless German movement toward the south and west of Europe and turn our gaze toward the lands of the East ... when we speak of new territory in Europe today we must think principally of Russia and her border vassal states. Destiny itself seems to wish to point our the way to us here ... This colossal empire in the East is ripe for dissolution, and the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state.

This idea lay like bedrock in Hitler’s mind, and his pact with Stalin had not changed it at all, but merely postponed acting on it. And but briefly. In fact, less than two months after the deal was signed and had been utilized to destroy Poland, the Führer instructed the Army that the conquered Polish territory was to be regarded “as an assembly area for future German operations.” The date was October 18, 1939, and Halder recorded that day in his diary.
Five weeks later, on November 22, when he harangued his reluctant generals about attacking in the West, Russia was by no means out of his mind. “We can oppose Russia,” he declared, “only when we are free in the West.”
At that time the two-front war, the nightmare of German generals for a century, was very much on Hitler’s mind, and he spoke of it at length on this occasion. He would not repeat the mistake of former German rulers; he could continue to see to it that the Army had one front at a time.
It was only natural, then, that with the fall of France, the chasing of the British Army across the Channel and the prospects of Britain’s imminent collapse, Hitler’s thoughts should turn once again to Russia. For he now supposed himself to be free in the West and thereby to have achieved the one condition he had laid down in order to be in a position to “oppose Russia.” the rapidity with which Stalin seized the Baltic States and the two Romanian provinces in June spurred Hitler to a decision.
The moment of its making can now be traced. Jodl says that the “fundamental decision” was taken “as far back as during the Western Campaign.” Colonel Walter Warlimont, Jodl’s deputy at OKW, remembered that on July 29 Jodl announced at a meeting of Operations Staff officers that “Hitler intended to attack the U.S.S.R. in the spring of 1941.” Sometime previous to this meeting, Jodl related, Hitler had told Keitel “that he intended to launch the attack against the U.S.S.R. during the fall of 1940.” But this was too much even for Keitel and he had argued Hitler out of it by contending that not only the bad weather in the autumn but the difficulties of transferring the bulk of the Army from the West to the East made it impossible. By the time of this conference on July 29, Warlimont relates, “the date for the intended attack [against Russia] had been moved back to the spring of 1941.”
Only a week before, we know from Halder’s diary, the Führer had still held to a possible campaign in Russia for the autumn if Britain were not invaded. At a military conference in Berlin on July 21 he told Brauchitsch to get busy on the preparations for it.
That the Army Commander in Chief had already given the problem some thought - but not enough thought - is evident from his response to Hitler. Brauchitsch told the Leader that the campaign “would last four to six weeks” and that the aim would be “to defeat the Russian Army or at least to occupy enough Russian territory so that Soviet bombers could not reach Berlin or the Silesian industrial area while, on the other hand, the Luftwaffe bombers could reach all important objectives in the Soviet Union.” Brauchitsch thought that from eighty to a hundred German divisions could do the job; he assessed Russian strength at “fifty to seventy-five good divisions.” Halder’s notes on what Brauchitsch told him of the meeting show that Hitler had been stung by Stalin’s grabs in the East, that he thought the Soviet dictator was “coquetting with England” in order to encourage her to hold out, but that he had seen no signs that Russia was preparing to enter the war against Germany.
At a further conference at the Berghof on the last day of July 1940, the receding prospects of an invasion of Britain prompted Hitler to announce for the first time to his Army chiefs his decision on Russia. Halder was personally present this time and jotted down his shorthand notes of exactly what the warlord said. They reveal not only that Hitler had made a definite decision to attack Russia in the following spring but that he had already worked out in his mind the major strategic aims.

Britain’s hope [Hitler said] lies in Russia and America. If that hope in Russia is destroyed then it will be destroyed for America too because elimination of Russia will enormously increase Japan’s power in the Far East.

The more he thought of it the more convinced he was, Hitler said, that Britain’s stubborn determination to continue the war was due to its counting on the Soviet Union.

Something strange [he explained] has happened in Britain! The British were already completely down. Now they are back on their feet. Intercepted conversations. Russia unpleasantly disturbed by the swift development in Western Europe.
Russia needs only to hint to England that she does not wish to see Germany too strong and the English, like a drowning man, will regain hope that the situation in six to eight months will have completely changed.
But if Russia is smashed, Britain’s last hope will be shattered. Then Germany will be master of Europe and the Balkans.
Decision: In view of these considerations Russia must be liquidated. Spring, 1941.

The sooner Russia is smashed, the better.


The Nazi warlord then elaborated on his strategic plans which, it was obvious to the generals, had been ripening in his mind for some time despite all his preoccupations with the fighting in the West. The operation, he said, would be worth carrying out only if its aim was to shatter the Soviet nation in one great blow. Conquering a lot of Russian territory would not be enough. “Wiping out the very power to exist of Russia! That is the goal!” Hitler emphasized. There would be two initial drives: one in the south to Kiev and the Dnieper River, the second in the north up through the Baltic States and then toward Moscow. There the two armies would make a junction. After that a special operation, if necessary, to secure the Baku oil fields. The very thought of such new conquests excited Hitler; he already had in his mind what he would do with them. He would annex outright, he said, the Ukraine, White Russia and the Baltic States and extend Finland’s territory to the White Sea. For the whole operation he would allot 120 divisions, keeping sixty divisions for the defense of the West and Scandinavia. The attack, he laid it down, would begin in May 1941 and would take five months to carry through. It would be finished by winter. He would have preferred, he said, to do it this year but this had not proved possible.
The next day, August 1, Halder went to work on the plans with his General Staff. Though he would later claim to have opposed the whole idea of an attack on Russia as insane, his diary entry for this day discloses him full of enthusiasm as he applied himself to the challenging new task.
Planning now went ahead with typical German thoroughness on three levels: that of the Army General Staff, of Warlimont’s Operations Staff at OKW, of General Thomas’ Economic and Armaments Branch of OKW. Thomas was instructed on August 14 by Göring that Hitler desired deliveries of ordered goods to the Russians “only till spring of 1941.” In the meantime his office was to make a detailed survey of Soviet industry, transportation and oil centers both as a guide to targets and later on as an aid for administering Russia.
A few days before, on August 9, Warlimont had got out his first directive for preparing the deployment areas in the East for the jump-off against the Russians. On August 26, Hitler ordered ten infantry and two armored divisions to be sent from the West to Poland. The panzer units, he stipulated, were to be concentrated in southeastern Poland so that they could intervene to protect the Romanian oil fields. The transfer of large bodies of troops to the East could not be done without exciting Stalin’s easily aroused suspicions if he learned of it, and the Germans went to great lengths to see that he didn’t. Since some movements were bound to be detected, General Ernst Köstring, the German military attaché in Moscow, was instructed to inform the Soviet General Staff that it was merely a question of replacing older men, who were being released to industry, by younger men. On September 6, Jodl got out a directive outlining in considerable detail the means of camouflage and deception. “These regroupings,” he laid it down, “must not create the impression in Russia that we are preparing an offensive in the East.”
So that the armed services should not rest on their laurels after the great victories of the summer, Hitler issued on November 12, 1940, a comprehensive top-secret directive outlining military tasks all over Europe and beyond. We shall come back to some of them. What concerns us here is that portion dealing with the Soviet Union.

Political discussions have been initiated with the aim of clarifying Russia’s attitude for the time being. Irrespective of the results of these discussions, all preparations for the East which have already been verbally ordered will be continued. Instructions on this will follow, as soon as the general outline of the Army’s operation plans have been submitted to, and approved by, me.

As a matter of fact, on that very day, November 12, Molotov arrived in Berlin to continue with Hitler himself those political discussions.


Source of quote:

William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, New York 1960, pages 795 and following

Emphases are mine.

Richard Overy?
[….] The sudden expansion of Soviet territory westward, although conceded in principle in 1939, produced fresh anxieties in Berlin. The Soviet-Finnish war had left Germany in a difficult position, for her sympathies were with the Finns. After the end of the war German troops were stationed in Finland. The deliveries of machinery and weapons to the Soviet Union agreed upon in the pact were slow and irregular, in sharp contrast with the scrupulous provision by the Soviet side of materials and food. Despite constant Soviet complaints, the German suppliers dragged their heels whenever they could rather than allow the latest technology fall into Russian hands. From Hitler’s point of view the most unfortunate consequence of the pact was the rapid forward deployment of the Red Army in Eastern Europe. He was embroiled in a major war, which he had not wanted and which the pact had been supposed to avert. Now, instead of a powerful Germany dominating Eastern and Central Europe following Poland’s defeat, Germany was engaged in an unpredictable war against the British Empire, while the Soviet Union was free to extend its influence unchecked. The occupation of Bessarabia was a final blow. A few weeks later Goebbels wrote in his diary: ‘Perhaps we shall be forced to take steps against all this, despite everything, and drive this Asiatic spirit back out of Europe and into Asia, where it belongs.’
Hitler had anticipated him. On July 3 [1940],instructions were issued to the German armed forces, under the code name ‘Fritz’, to begin preliminary studies for an operation against the Soviet Union. At first the army believed that Hitler wanted to inflict only a local defeat on Soviet forces so as to push back the frontier between them and force Stalin to recognize ‘Germany’s dominant position in Europe’. The army told Hitler on July 21 that a limited campaign could be launched in four to six weeks. But Hitler’s ideas, which had at first been uncertain, hardened over the course of the month, as a stream of intelligence information came in showing how Soviet diplomats were now pushing into the Balkans in their efforts to spread Soviet influence. When Hitler’s Operations Chief, General Alfred Jodl, called together his senior colleagues on July 29, he had the most startling news. After making sure that every door and window in the conference room aboard a specially converted train was tightly sealed, he announced that Hitler had decided to rid the world ‘once and for all’ of the Soviet menace by a surprise attack scheduled for May 1941.
[….]
There can be no doubt that practical strategic issues did push Hitler towards the most radical of military solutions. But a great war in the East had always been part of his thinking. Here was the real stuff of Lebensraum – living space.
Hitler’s plans assumed fantastic proportions. By August he had decided to seize the whole vast area stretching from Archangel to Astrakhan (the ‘A-A Line’) and to populate it with fortified garrison cities, keeping the population under the permanent control of the master race, while a rump Asian state beyond the Urals, the Slavlands, would accommodate the rest of the Soviet people. Planning moved forward on this basis. By the spring of 1941 comprehensive programmes for the racial, political and economic exploitation of the new empire had been drawn up. ‘Russia’, Hitler is reported as saying, ‘will be our India!’.
Every effort was made to keep the whole enterprise camouflaged. Hitler maintained relations with his Soviet ally, although they became acutely strained. On 27 September 1940 he signed the Tripartite Pact with Japan and Italy, which divided the world into separate spheres of interest – ‘New Orders’ in the Mediterranean, eastern Asia and Europe. This realignment was read with unease in Moscow. The some month German troops appeared in Romania for the first time, and in Finland. Hungary and Romania joined the Tripartite Pact. In October Italy, which had joined the war on the German side in June, invaded Greece and opened up the prospect of fascist expansion into the Balkans. The on October 13 Stalin received a long, rambling letter from Ribbentrop which ended with a tantalizing invitation to join the Tripartite Pace and revise the world order together.
It is not entirely clear why Hitler authorized Ribbentrop to send the invitation. He may have hoped that the growing threat of the Soviet Union might be neutralized by agreement after all. He may have used it as an opportunity to find out just what Soviet ambitions were.[...]
Source of quote:

Richard Overy, Russia's War, Penguin Books 1998, pages 61 and following.

Hermann Graml?
[...]On 22 June 1941 153 divisions of the Wehrmacht of National Socialist Germany – together with units of the armies of allied states like Finland, Romania and Hungary – crossed the borders of the Soviet Union. Since the Second World War this operation, prepared under the code name “Barbarossa”, was unanimously considered by research on contemporary history as the classic example of a war of aggression. Only a secondary question was controversially discussed: Did the “Führer” of the Third Reich in his decision to attack principally intend to serve the goal contained in his ideology, i.e. the goal, insistently propagated since “Mein Kampf”, to conquer “living space in the East” for the German nation and for a German world empire? Or was the motivation stronger that resulted for him when, after the victorious campaigns in eastern, northern and western Europe, he was faced with the fact that the still unbeaten Great Britain did not think of acknowledging his domination of the European continent, and therefrom derived the conclusion that he must deprive the British government of the hope on its last “continental blessing” by conquering Russia?[...]
My translation from:

Wolfgang Benz et al, Legenden, Lügen, Vorurteile, 12th edition 2002 by dtv Munich, page 194.

As we can see from the above, neither of the three "leftist" historians attribute Hitler's attack on the Soviet Union exclusively to ideological reasons.

All three hold that, while ideological considerations were a part of Hitler's motivations, there were also strategic concerns involved - preoccupation about Soviet westward expansion and/or the assumption that the defeat of Russia would also bring about the downfall of Britain.

And all three, if I understand them correctly, leave it open whether it was the ideological or the strategic component that carried the greatest weight in Hitler's decision making.

In my opinion, maintaining that Hitler attacked the Soviet Union for purely ideological reasons is as absurd as maintaining that he did so out of strategic considerations only.

The former theory would ignore Hitler's manifested concerns with the support that the Soviet Union represented for Britain and with Soviet expansionism, quoted by Shirer and Overy.

The latter, on the other hand, would fail to explain the marked ideological component of Hitler's campaign against the USSR and the fact that the idea of conquering "living space" in the East runs like a red thread through Hitler's statements at various times of his career:

Mein Kampf, Volume II, Chapter XIV
We National Socialists have to go still further. The right to territory may become a duty when a great nation seems destined to go under unless its territory be extended. And that is particularly true when the nation in question is not some little group of negro people but the Germanic mother of all the life which has given cultural shape to the modern world. Germany will either become a World Power or will not continue to exist at all. But in order to become a World Power it needs that territorial magnitude which gives it the necessary importance to-day and assures the existence of its citizens.
Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.
But when we speak of new territory in Europe to-day we must principally think of Russia and the border States subject to her.
[emphasis mine]
Destiny itself seems to wish to point out the way for us here. In delivering Russia over to Bolshevism, Fate robbed the Russian people of that intellectual class which had once created the Russian State and were the guarantee of its existence. For the Russian State was not organized by the constructive political talent of the Slav element in Russia, but was much more a marvellous exemplification of the capacity for State-building possessed by the Germanic element in a race of inferior worth. Thus were many powerful Empires created all over the earth. More often than once inferior races with Germanic organizers and rulers as their leaders became formidable States and continued to exist as long as the racial nucleus remained which had originally created each respective State. For centuries Russia owed the source of its livelihood as a State to the Germanic nucleus of its governing class. But this nucleus is now almost wholly broken up and abolished. The Jew has taken its place. Just as it is impossible for the Russian to shake off the Jewish yoke by exerting his own powers, so, too, it is impossible for the Jew to keep this formidable State in existence for any long period of time. He himself is by no means an organizing element, but rather a ferment of decomposition. This colossal Empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a State. We are chosen by Destiny to be the witnesses of a catastrophe which will afford the strongest confirmation of the nationalist theory of race.[emphasis mine]
But it is our task, and it is the mission of the National Socialist Movement, to develop in our people that political mentality which will enable them to realize that the aim which they must set to themselves for the fulfilment of their future must not be some wildly enthusiastic adventure in the footsteps of Alexander the Great but industrious labour with the German plough, for which the German sword will provide the soil[emphasis mine].
Source of quote:

http://www.stormfront.org/books/mein_ka ... 2ch14.html

Speech before the commanders of Army and Navy, 3 February 1933
[…]2. Nach außen. Kampf gegen Versailles. Gleichberechtigung in
Genf; aber zwecklos, wenn Volk nicht auf Wehrwillen
eingestellt. Sorge für Bundesgenossen.

3. Wirtschaft! Der Bauer muß gerettet werden!
Siedlungspolitik! Künft. Steigerung d. Ausfuhr zwecklos.
Aufnahmefähigkeit d. Welt ist begrenzt u. Produktion ist
überall übersteigert. Im Siedeln liegt einzige Mögl.,
Arbeitslosenheer z. T. wieder einzuspannen. Aber braucht
Zeit u. radikale Änderung nicht zu erwarten, da Lebensraum
für d(eutsches) Volk zu klein.

4. Aufbau der Wehrmacht wichtigste Voraussetzung für
Erreichung des Ziels: Wiedererringung der pol. Macht. Allg.
Wehrpflicht muß wieder kommen. Zuvor aber muß Staatsführung
dafür sorgen, daß die Wehrpflichtigen vor Eintritt nicht
schon durch Pazif., Marxismus, Bolschewismus vergiftet
werden oder nach Dienstzeit diesem Gifte verfallen.

Wie soll pol. Macht, wenn sie gewonnen ist, gebraucht
werden? Jetzt noch nicht zu sagen. Vielleicht Erkämpfung
neuer Export-Mögl., vielleicht - und wohl besser - Eroberung
neuen Lebensraumes im Osten u. dessen rücksichtslose
Germanisierung. Sicher, daß erst mit pol. Macht u. Kampf
jetzige wirtsch. Zustände geändert werden können. Alles, was
jetzt geschehen kann - Siedlung - Aushilfsmittel.[…]
Source of quote:

http://www.ns-archiv.de/krieg/1933/03-02-1933.shtml

My translation:
[…]2. Towards the outside. Fight against Versailles. Equality of rights in Geneva, but useless, if people don’t have the will fight. Care for allies.

3. Economy! Peasants must be saved!
Settlement policy! Future increase of exports useless.
World absorption capacity is limited and production everywhere exaggerated. Settlement is the only possibility to partially control the army of unemployed. But it takes time and a radical change cannot be expected, because the living space is too small for the German people.

4. Building of the armed forces is most important pre-condition for achieving the goal: re-obtaining political power. Conscription must be reintroduced. But before this the state leadership must see to it that the conscripts are not poisoned already before entering service by pacifism, Marxism, Bolshevism or fall for this poison after having served.

How shall political power be used once it has been obtained? Cannot tell yet now. Maybe fight for new export possibilities, maybe – and probably better – conquer new living space in the East and ruthlessly germanize it. What is certain is that only though political power and fighting the current economic situation can be changed. All that can be done for the time being – settlement – is but an auxiliary means. […]
Emphases are mine.

Minutes of a Conference in the Reich Chancellery, Berlin, November 5, 1937, FROM 4:15 to 8:30 P.M.
[…] The German racial community comprised over 85 million people and, because of their number and the narrow limits of habitable space in Europe, constituted a tightly packed racial core such as was not to be met in any other country and such as implied the right to a greater living space than in the case of other peoples.
[…]
The only remedy, and one which might appear to us as visionary, lay in the acquisition of greater living space -a quest which has at all times been the origin of the formation of states and of the migration of peoples. That this quest met with no interest at Geneva or among the satiated nations was understandable. If, then, we accept the security of our food situation as the principal question, the space necessary to insure it can only be sought in Europe, not, as in the liberal-capitalist view, in the exploitation of colonies. It is not a matter of acquiring population but of gaining space for agricultural use. Moreover, areas producing raw materials can be more usefully sought in Europe in immediate proximity to the Reich, than overseas; the solution thus obtained must suffice for one or two generations. Whatever else might prove necessary later must be left to succeeding generations to deal with. The development of great world political constellations progressed but slowly after all, and the German people with its strong racial core would find the most favorable prerequisites for such achievement in the heart of the continent of Europe. The history of all ages- the Roman Empire and the British Empire- had proved that expansion could only be carried out by breaking down resistance and taking risks; setbacks were inevitable. There had never in former times been spaces without a master, and there were none today; the attacker always comes up against a possessor.
[…]
Germany's problem could only be solved by means of force and this was never without attendant risk. The campaigns of Frederick the Great for Silesia and Bismarck's wars against Austria and France had involved unheard-of risk, and the swiftness of the Prussian action in 1870 had kept Austria from entering the war. If one accepts as the basis of the following exposition the resort to force with its attendant risks, then there remain still to be answered the questions "when" and "how." In this matter there were three cases [Falle] to be dealt with:[…]


Source of quote:

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/d ... ssbach.htm

Emphases are mine.

Report on a Meeting on 23 May 1939 (my translation from the original transcribed under

http://www.ns-archiv.de/krieg/1939/schm ... 1939.shtml )
[…]The mass of 80 millions has solved the ideological problem. The economic problems must also be solved. No German can avoid the creation of the economic pre-conditions for this. Solving the problems requires courage. There must be no avoiding the solution of the problems by adaptation. On the contrary, the circumstances must be matched to the demands. Without intrusion into foreign states or attacking foreign property this is not possible.

The living space, adequate to the greatness of the state, is the basis of all power. For a time one may do without, but then the solution of the problems comes around one way or the other. There is the choice between rising or falling. In 15 or 20 years the solution will be compulsorily necessary for us. Longer than that no German statesman can go around the issue.

[…]

Danzig is not the object that is at issue. The issue for us is the extension of living space in the east and securing of food supplies as well as solving the Baltic problem. Food supplies can only be obtained in areas sparsely populated. Beside the fertility the German thorough agriculture will immensely increase the surpluses.

In Europe there is no other possibility.

Colonies: Warning against giving away colonial possessions. That is no solution of the food problem. Blockade!

If fate forces us to a conflict with the West, it is good to have more land in the East. In the war we can count even less on record harvests than in peacetime.

The population of non-German territories does not do military service and is thus available for work.

The problem 'Poland' is not to be separated from the conflict with the west.

Poland’s inner steadfastness against Bolshevism is dubious. Thus Poland is also a dubious barrier against Russia.

A successful war in the west with a quick decision is questionable, as is the attitude of Poland.

Pressure from Russia the Polish regime will not withstand. Poland sees danger in Germany’s victory over the West and will try to take this victory away from us.

There can thus be no question of sparing Poland, and the decision that remains is to attack Poland at the first appropriate occasion.[…]
Emphases are mine.

Halder’s notes on Hitler’s briefing of his military commanders on 30 March 1941 (my translation from Christian Streit, Keine Kameraden. Die Wehrmacht und die sowjetischen Kriegsgefangenen 1941-1945):
[….]
Colonial tasks!
Two world-views fighting each other. Demolishing verdict about Bolshevism, which is equal to asocial criminality. Communism is an enormous danger for the future. We must depart from the standpoint of soldierly comradeship. The Communist is no comrade before and no comrade afterwards. This is a fight to annihilation. If we don’t see it as this, we will defeat the enemy, but in 30 years we will again be faced with the communist enemy. We don’t make war to conserve the enemy.
[…..]
Fight against Russia:
Annihilation of the Bolshevik commissars and the communist intelligence. The new states must be Socialist states, but without an intelligence of their own. It must be prevented that a new intelligence comes into being. A primitive Socialist intelligence is sufficient.
The fight must be conduced against the poison of disintegration. This is not a matter for military tribunals. The leader of the troops must know what this is about. The must lead in the fight. The troops must defend themselves with the means by which they are attacked. Commissars and GPU-people are criminals and must be treated as such.
For this the troops need not come out of the hands of their leaders. The leader must issue his directives in consonance with the feelings of the troops. [Marginal note by Halder: This fight is very much differentiated from the fight in the West. In the East harshness means mildness in the future.]
The leader must require themselves to do the sacrifice of overcoming their considerations.
[Marginal note: Order of the Commander in Chief of the Army]
Emphases are mine.

A few months later …
[…]Beyond satisfying the immediate needs of Germany during the war, there remained to be decided the long-term future of an area which, assuming the objectives of a line from Archangel to Astrakhan was achieved, contained over a hundred million people. Hitler had never thought of the invasion of Russia ending with a conventional peace treaty; it was to be a war of conquest, the purpose of which was not only to overthrow the Bolshevik regime but to prevent the emergence of a successor Russian state. But what was to replace it?
An unusual insight into Hitler’s mind in 1941-2 is provided by his Table Talk, records of the monologues to which his guests and entourage were subjected after meals at Hitler’s HQ, either the permanent installation in East Prussia which Hitler called ‘Wolfsschanze’ (Fort Wolf) , or his temporary HQ at Vinnitza in the Ukraine which he called ‘Werwolf’. Hitler would not allow a tape-recorder to be used, but he agreed to Bormann’s suggestion that a party official might be admitted to his meals who would sit in a corner and take notices unobtrusively. These were later corrected and approved by Bormann, as a record of the Führer’s genius.
The months from March to the end of October 1941 were a period in which Hitler felt more convinced than ever of his genius, the highpoint of the fantastic career in which he saw himself as the peer of Napoleon, Bismarck and Frederick the Great – characters to whom he referred in familiar terms – pursuing ‘the Cyclopean task which the building of an empire means for a single man.
The character of that empire was a subject which fired his imagination and constantly recurred in his talk. After the evening meal on 27 July he defined its limits as a line 200 – 300 kilometres east of the Urals; the Germans must hold this line in perpetuity and never allow any other military power to establish itself to the west of it.
It should be possible for us to control this region in the East, with 250,000 men plus a cadre of good administrators. Let’s learn from the English, who, with 250,000 men in all, including 50,000 soldiers, govern 400 million Indians. This space in Russia must always be dominated by Germans.
Nothing would be a worse mistake on our part than to seek to educate the masses there …
We’ll take the southern part of Ukraine, especially the Crimea, and make it an exclusively German colony. There’ll be no harm in pushing out the population that’s there now. The German colonist will be the soldier – peasant, and for that I’ll take professional soldiers … For those of them who are sons of peasants, the Reich will provide a completely-equipped farm. The soil costs us nothing, we have only the farm to build … These soldier peasants will be given arms, so that at the slightest danger they can be at their posts when we summon them.


Hitler returned to the subject on the evening of 17 October, when Todt and Gauleiter Sauckel (who was responsible for conscripting foreign workers) provided and appreciative audience:
The Russian desert, we shall populate it … We’ll take away its character of an Asian steppe, we’ll Europeanise it. With this object we have undertaken the construction of road that will lead to the southernmost part of the Crimea and to the Caucasus. These road will be studded along their whole length with German towns and around these towns our colonists will settle.
As for the two or three million men whom we need to accomplish this task, we’ll find them quicker than we think. They’ll come from Germany, Scandinavia, the Western countries, and America. I shall no longer be here to see all that, but in twenty years, the Ukraine will already be a home for twenty million inhabitants, besides the natives …
We shan’t settle in the Russian towns, and we’ll let them go to pieces without intervening. And, above all, no remorse on this subject! We’re absolutely without obligations as far as these people are concerned. To struggle against the hovels, chase away the fleas, provide German teachers, bring out newspapers – very little of that for us! We’ll confine ourselves, perhaps, to setting up a radio transmitter, under our control. For the rest, let them know just enough to understand our highway signs, so that they won’t get themselves run over by our vehicles.
For them the word ‘liberty’ means the right to wash on feast days … There’s only one duty: to Germanize this country by the immigration of Germans and to look upon the natives as Redskins … In this business I shall go straight ahead, cold-bloodedly.


Ten days later he declared:
Nobody will ever snatch the East from us! … We shall soon supply the wheat for all Europe, the coal, the steel, the wood. To exploit the Ukraine properly – that new Indian Empire – we’ll need only peace in the West …
For me the object is to exploit the advantages of continental hegemony … When we are the masters of Europe, we have a dominant position in the world. A hundred and thirty million people in the Reich, ninety in the Ukraine. Add to these the other states of the New Europe and we’ll be 400 millions as compared with the 130 million Americans.
Source of quote: Alan Bullock, Hitler and Stalin. Parallel Lives 1993 Fontana Press, London, pages 756-758.

Emphasis is mine.

Bullock’s translation of the highlighted passage is a rather benevolent one. Hitler’s words were actually the following:
In die russischen Städte gehen wir nicht hinein. Sie müssen vollständig ersterben. Wir brauchen uns da keine Gewissensbisse zu machen […] wir haben überhaupt keine Verpflichtungen den Leuten gegenüber.
Source of quote:

Christian Gerlach, Kalkulierte Morde, page 801

My translation:
Into the Russian cities we shall not go. They must die away completely. We need to have no remorse in this respect […] we have no obligations whatsoever towards these people.
So while it seems reasonable to assume that Hitler put his ideological considerations on the back burner for as long as political and strategic needs required a friendly relationship with the Soviet Union, stating that he at any time abandoned his ideological aims altogether would be like maintaining that the "New Economic Policy" introduced by Lenin in the Soviet Union in the 1920s signalled his abandonment of Marxist ideas.

In a letter written to Mussolini after having issued his Directive no. 21 for the final preparation of Operation "Barbarossa", Hitler expressed his relief at finally having put an end to a policy that went against the grain of his beliefs and ideals. The respective passage is quoted in Bullock's a.m. book, and I will provide a transcription thereof as soon as possible after the Christmas holiday.

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Roberto wrote:In a letter written to Mussolini after having issued his Directive no. 21 for the final preparation of Operation "Barbarossa", Hitler expressed his relief at finally having put an end to a policy that went against the grain of his beliefs and ideals. The respective passage is quoted in Bullock's a.m. book, and I will provide a transcription thereof as soon as possible after the Christmas holiday.
[...]For both Hitler and Stalin, the German-Russian war was the supreme test of their careers. They both approached it, however, in very different ways.
Although Hitler, in an expansive mood, would talk of world power, a war between continents challenging the Anglo-Saxon world hegemony, the most consistent objective in his thinking about foreign policy was the conquest of Lebensraum in the east as an answer to Germany’s economic and social problems. ‘And when we speak of new territory in Europe,’ he wrote in Mein Kampf, ‘we must think principally of Russia and the border states subject to her. Destiny itself seems to point out the way for us here.’ In 1936 he repeated publicly: ‘If we had at our disposal the Urals, with their incalculable wealth of raw materials and the forests of Siberia, and if the unending wheat fields of the Ukraine lay within Germany, our country would swim in plenty.’
Russia would provide not only the raw materials but the manpower needs of Germany as well. ‘The Slavs,’ Hitler declared, ‘are a mass of born slaves who feel the need of a master.’ This racist version - the opposite of ‘the civilizing mission’ of the Germans in the East - was Hitler’s special contribution to the traditional theme of the Drang nach Osten (Germany’s Drive to the East). Incapable of establishing a state themselves - so Hitler argued - the Slavs owed the creation and maintenance of the Russian state to ‘the Germanic nucleus of its governing classes’. The Bolshevik revolution had destroyed these. Their place had been taken by the Jews with whom Hitler identified the Bolshevik leadership, and ‘the Jew’ could no more hold the Russian State together than the Russians could get rid of the Jews. ‘The colossal empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state.’
The decision to attack Russia brought Hitler back to his roots in the National Socialist movement of the 1920s. The diplomatic manoeuvres in which he had become involved by the need to secure Russian neutrality while he destroyed Poland, and then by the need to eliminate the threat of Western intervention before he could turn East, were now replaced by the clear-cut decision to go directly for his primary objective by the only means in which he had any faith, by the use of force. In the inevitable letter which he addressed to Mussolini on the day before the attack began, Hitler wrote:

<<Let me say one more thing, Duce. Since I struggled through to this decision, I am again spiritually free. The partnership with the Soviet Union ... seemed to me to be a break with my whole origin, my concepts and my former obligations. I am happy now to be relieved of these mental agonies.>>

What had held Hitler back from taking this step earlier had been the need to secure first the conditions he had laid down in Mein Kampf as essential to success: the elimination of France as a military power and the conclusion of alliances with Italy and Britain. The first and second had been achieved; it was the third which baffled and eluded him. For alliance he had substituted British neutrality in return for a guarantee of the British Empire. When this too was rejected, he ordered the elimination of Britain by invasion, and when that in turn had to be abandoned, he sought to break the British will to resist by the night bombing of their cities.
The significance of the German defeat in the Battle of Britain now becomes clear. It confronted Hitler with a choice between two very different strategies. The first was to concentrate all his forces on Britain as the main enemy. This was the naval - Mediterranean strategy proposed by Raeder and favoured by Göring; it meant postponing any idea of attacking Russia until the British had been knocked out. The second was to put Britain ‘on hold’, and concentrate everything on the conquest of Russia in a single campaign. This would not only eliminate the Soviet Union as an enemy but provide the Germans with such resources as to destroy any British hope of challenging their domination of the Continent. Apart from the strategic difficulty of finding a clear-cut way of defeating Britain comparable with the knock-out blow which he planned against Russia, Hitler constantly repeated that the destruction of the British Empire - unlike that of the Russian state - had never been part of this programme and that if he undertook it, other powers, not Germany, would be the principal beneficiaries.
In the closing months of the war, in February 1945, when he was faced with the inevitability of defeat as the Red Army closed in on Berlin, Hitler returned to 1941 and claimed that he had had no choice:

<<I had no more difficult decision to take than the attack on Russia. I had always said we must avoid a two-front war at all costs, and no one will doubt that I more than anyone had reflected on Napoleon’s Russian experience. The why this war against Russia? And why at the time I chose?>>

His answer was that the only way to bring Britain to make peace and so end the prospect of a long drawn-out war - with increasing participation by the Americans - was to destroy their hopes of Russia’s intervention: ‘For us it was an inescapable compulsion to remove the Russian piece from the European chess-board.’
The very existence of Russia, Hitler reported, was a threat which could prove fatal to Germany. If the Germans had not struck first before Russian rearmament was complete, they and the rest of Europe would have been overrun by a Russian attack with superior forces: ‘Our only chance of defeating Russia lay in anticipating her ... Time was working against us ... In the course of the final weeks I was obsessed with the fear that Stalin might forestall me.’ As proof Hitler claimed that Stalin was steadily reducing the supply of raw materials on which Germany was dependent. ‘If they were not prepared to give us of their own free will the supplies we had to have, we had no alternative but to go and take them by force.’
The German as well as the Russian evidence points to exactly the opposite conclusion. Far from reducing, Stalin increased supplies to Germany at a time when Russia could ill afford to do so - for example, in oil and grain. After some sharp bargaining by the Germans, a complete set of six German-Soviet treaties was signed in Moscow on 10 January 1941. The centre-piece was an economic agreement by which Russia agreed to deliver a long list of commodities in the period up to August 1942 to the value of 620 - 640 million Reichsmarks. At the last moment Stalin personally intervened (‘a decision of the highest authority’) to increase the deliveries of crucial raw materials in short supply, 6000 tons of copper, 1500 tons of nickel and 500 tons each of tin, tungsten and molybdenum.
Schnurre, who had conducted the economic negotiations throughout, reported that his opposite number, Mikoyan, could not have been more helpful. A jubilant Foreign Office circular sent out to German embassies, instructing officials how to present this, described the deal as ‘the biggest economic treaty that has ever been conducted between two states ..., settling also all other questions pending between Germany and the Soviet Union.’ The Foreign Office circular concluded:

<<The Soviet Union has delivered everything she promised. In many fields she has delivered even more than had originally been agreed upon. In the organisation of huge shipments, the Soviet Union has performed in a really admirable manner. Now the trade and transportation channels are operating smoothly.>>

As before the Polish campaign, Hitler convinced himself that Germany had been forced to act first in self-defence. But the documentary evidence establishes that the detailed planning for Operation Barbarossa made no provision for having to meet a Russian attack, and that both OKW and OKH treated the transfer of Soviet troops closer to the border as purely defensive moves. Confidence in the German camp was high because all reports showed that the Russians were ill-prepared to defend themselves, leave alone launch an offensive. This is supported, as we shall see, by the evidence from the Russian side and by the actual course of events when the fighting began. The best comment on later attempts to represent Barbarossa as a preventive war is an OKW directive put out on 21 June, the day the German attack was due to start. Unperturbed by reports of the Red Army massing forces in the areas around Lvov and Bialystok, OKW welcomed the news for two reasons: it would facilitate the German plan to encircle Russian troops and would enable German propaganda ‘to convey the impression that the Russians were ready to pounce and that the German attack was a military imperative’.
The basis of German confidence was the belief, confirmed by the Red Army’s performance in the Finnish war, that the Soviet leadership had been so weakened by the purges that it could not withstand a concentrated German attack, and that organized resistance would collapse. That this was a fatal miscalculation was already clear by the time the German 6th Army surrendered at Stalingrad in February 1943, and to many today appears so obvious as to be difficult to explain. But in 1940-1 this was far from being Hitler’s view alone.
For whatever reservations the German generals might later claim to have felt, they made no objections comparable to those which they had raised against the offensive in the West. From the summer of 1940, Hitler, the OKW and the OKH were agreed in reckoning on completing the defeat of Russia in a single campaigning season, originally five months, June-October 1941. The estimates made in London and Washington were even shorter. The Joint Intelligence Committee in London allowed Germany 4-6 weeks to occupy the Ukraine and reach Moscow, and on 23 June, Frank Knox, the US secretary of the Navy, wrote to Roosevelt: ‘The best opinion I can get is that it will take anywhere from six weeks to two months for Hitler to clean up on Russia.[...]
Source of quote: Alan Bullock, Hitler and Stalin. Parallel Lives, 1993 Fontana Press, London, pages 748 and following

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Post by Scott Smith » 01 Jan 2003, 02:58

Roberto wrote:I wonder what authors are supposed to represent this "leftist historiography".
Hmmm, it seems we have the usual-suspects, Shirer, Overy, Bullock, Gerlach. No surprise there.
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Roberto wrote (quoting Alan Bullock "Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives"):
In the closing months of the war, in February 1945, when he was faced with the inevitability of defeat as the Red Army closed in on Berlin, Hitler returned to 1941 and claimed that he had had no choice:

<<I had no more difficult decision to take than the attack on Russia. I had always said we must avoid a two-front war at all costs, and no one will doubt that I more than anyone had reflected on Napoleon&#8217;s Russian experience. The why this war against Russia? And why at the time I chose?>>
The above words attributed to Hitler appear to come from the documents published by the Swiss Nazi sympathiser, Francois Genoud, and claimed by him to be a series of Hitler monologues recorded by Bormann in the early months of 1945. In fact, there is no proof as to the authenticity of those documents, and Genoud's explanation of how he came into their possession is frankly incredible. There is a strong suspicion that the documents are a forgery by Genoud himself, for the purpose of providing an ex post facto rationalisation of Hitler's actions. The documents in Genoud's possession are in French, which he claimed to be a translation from a German original, but he was never able to produce that German-language original.

Accordingly, the so-called Hitler-Bormann transcripts (which were published in English as "The Political Testament of Adolf Hitler", in translation from the French, not German) must be discounted as a reliable historical source. The fact that Bullock used them reflects badly on his reliability as a historian.

The passage from Bullock quoted by Roberto also makes much of Soviet willingness to make deliveries to Germany in the first months of 1941 under the economic agreement of 10 January 1941. Bullock interprets that willingness as proof that the Soviet Union had no aggressive intentions against Germany. However, that is not necessarily the case.

First some background to the agreement of 10 January 1941. The economic relationship between Germany and the Soviet Union governed by the agreement of 11 February 1940 had not run smoothly, and there had been serious disagreements between the two parties. Here is what the economic historian, William Carr, says on the matter ("Poland to Pearl Harbor", p. 122:

While there can be little doubt about the value of this trade for Germany, nevertheless, the course of Russo-German trade relations was never smooth. Each side was naturally anxious to have the best of the bargain. As Russia struggled to become a major industrial power under the stimulus of the Five Year Plans internal demand for food and raw materials grew as did her need for capital goods - including armaments, for Stalin insisted on very high priority for the latest military technology in his bid for great power status for Russia. The Germans, on the other hand, were anxious to obtain the maximum possible out of Russia in terms of raw materials and food while delaying as long as possible capital goods payments. There was a natural imbalance in the exchange of goods in as much as food and raw materials when harvested or extracted from the ground can be delivered immediately whereas capital goods have to be manufactured - and the overstetched German wartime economy found it extremely difficult to meet delivery dates. True, the Germans persuaded the Russians to agree that while Russia would deliver her food and raw material quotas within 18 months, the Germans would be allowed 27 months for the delivery of capital goods. To minimize this concession, the Russians insisted on three-monthly reviews to check the proportional relationship between German and Russian deliveries; if dissatisfied, the Russians reserved the right to stop further deliveries until the imbalance was rectified. This the Russians did in March 1940, compelling Germany to divert armaments intended for their armed forces to Russia, so urgently needed were Russian raw materials. Only in the early days of the western campaign did deliveries recommence. Again in September 1940 Russian threats of further suspensions obliged the hard-pressed Germans to accelerate deliveries to Russia.
As the above passage shows, it was not only the Soviet Union which bent over backwards to meet its obligations to Germany, as Bullock implies; Germany also deprived its own armed forces in order to deliver armaments to the Soviet Union. Germany even accelerated its deliveries in September 1940, when it was already preparing contingency plans for war with the Soviet Union (thereby paralleling the contingency plans that the Red Army was preparing at the same time). Accordingly, an acceleration of deliveries, either by Germany or the Soviet Union, cannot be reasonably interpreted as indicating a lack of aggressive intent.

As for deliveries in the first months of 1941, up to the German invasion of 22 June, this is the interpretation by Manfred Zeidler ("German-Soviet Economic Relations duruing the Hitler-Stalin Pact", in: "From Peace to War: Germany, Soviet Russia and the World, 1039-1941", edited by Bernd Wegner [translation of "Zwei Wege nach Moskau"], p.110):
German shipments only started in earnest in the second quarter of 1940, without, however, closing the gap between German deliveries and Soviet advance shipments. At the end of 1940 the German trade deficit with Moscow was 174 million RM. Not until the end of the first quarter of 1941 did German deliveries overtake Soviet ones. The Germans reached their maximum output during the last quarter before the outbreak of war, producing goods with a value of over 150 million RM; in the last half-year before Operation 'Barbarossa' Germany delivered more goods to the USSR than in the entire three-year period from 1937 to 1939. This was the price demanded by the large-scale deception embarked upon before the invasion of 22 June 1941; the Soviet Union had to be convinced of Germany's peaceful intentions up to the last minute by her punctual deliveries [my emphasis].

Footnote to the above:
Stalin also had deliveries kept up until the invasion: in the 21 days of June 1941 135,000 tonnes of grain, at least 35,000 tonnes of crude oil products, and 12,000 tonnes of manganese ore....
The picture that emerges from the above is one of BOTH Germany and the Soviet Union massively accelerating their deliveries to each other in the last few months before the German invasion of 22 June. Now, Zeidler interprets the acceleration of German deliveries as part of a deception program leading to the invasion, an attempt to put the Soviet Union off its guard by convincing it of Germany's peaceful intentions; by contrast, he does not interpret the parallel acceleration of deliveries by Stalin as having a similar deceptive purpose. Bullock goes further; he interprets the acceleration of deliveries by the Soviet Union also as an attempt to demonstrate peaceful intentions, but implies that the demonstration was GENUINE, not a deception, as Zeidler interprets the parallel acceleration of deliveries by Germany.

It is patently obvious that both Zeidler and Bullock are biassed; faced with an acceleration of deliveries by both Germany and the Soviet Union, in the case of Germany that action is interpreted as a deception leading to an invasion, whereas the same action on the part of the Soviet Union is interpreted as an honest demonstration of a genuine lack of aggressive intent.

A more reasonable and unbiassed interpretation of the acceleration of deliveries by both Germany and the Soviet Union in the first months of 1941 is that in BOTH cases it was a deception, ie both Hitler and Stalin were preparing to attack each other, and each sought to deceive and lull the other by accelerating deliveries until the very eve of their planned attacks. Both Germany and the Soviet Union displayed the same behaviour in the last months prior to 22 June 1941; the only difference is that Germany launched its attack first on that day.

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 01 Jan 2003, 04:41

Mr. Mills, if I may. How do, for all intents and purposes, defensive operational plans of Soviet Border Military districts fit in your picture of alleged Soviet aggressive preparations?

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oleg wrote:Mr. Mills, if I may. How do, for all intents and purposes, defensive operational plans of Soviet Border Military districts fit in your picture of alleged Soviet aggressive preparations?

Can you show us the defensive plans of the Red Army???

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 01 Jan 2003, 06:53

savantu wrote:
oleg wrote:Mr. Mills, if I may. How do, for all intents and purposes, defensive operational plans of Soviet Border Military districts fit in your picture of alleged Soviet aggressive preparations?

Can you show us the defensive plans of the Red Army???
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB2/v ... hp?t=10747

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Post by Caldric » 01 Jan 2003, 07:05

oleg wrote:Mr. Mills, if I may. How do, for all intents and purposes, defensive operational plans of Soviet Border Military districts fit in your picture of alleged Soviet aggressive preparations?
What I would like to know from the Mr. Mills, Mr. Smith and any other misters is the fact that what point does it make to start with? We know the facts for what they are, Germany invaded the Soviet Union, not for pre-emptive strikes but for greed ideology and "destiny" as planned by the Fuehrer for decades. Whatever the USSR was doing in regards to what I see as defensive measures will never change the fact that Germany was the aggressor. The apologia for German aggressive war making is mute, there never was any plans for an immediate strike against Germany, all diplomatic and historical reference point to a continued Soviet pressure through diplomatic means. Hitler gave the final order after Molotov ignored the offer made by the Germans for the USSR to take pieces of the British Empire. This also included pressure from the Soviets in regards to Romania, Hitler and his minions could not scare Stalin into giving into their demands.

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Post by Scott Smith » 01 Jan 2003, 08:38

Caldric wrote:Whatever the USSR was doing in regards to what I see as defensive measures will never change the fact that Germany was the aggressor.
Who is the aggressor is argumentative. Surely it is more deep than who fires the first shot. Allied hands were not clean, East or West. They were willing to pay any price to keep Germany contained.

As far as the Soviet Union, I've never argued that the SU was going to attack in 1941, but Stalin had been building his military superpower at all human cost since 1928. If it had been Germany becoming a superpower, this alone would have meant war because we all know that they would have soon been marching down Main Street, USA unless stopped. Even reoccupying their own Rhineland was seen as a provocation.
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Post by Caldric » 01 Jan 2003, 09:41

I don't think it was a bad idea for Stalin to be building a modern military considering his borders. Do you? :D

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Post by savantu » 01 Jan 2003, 14:19

Caldric wrote:I don't think it was a bad idea for Stalin to be building a modern military considering his borders. Do you? :D
Who could threaten the "little" Soviet union??

Mongolia??

What's strange,he started building a huge war machine before Hitler reached power(1928 vs. 1933).I assume Poland's army was the reason. :roll:

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Post by michael mills » 01 Jan 2003, 16:08

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Mr. Mills, if I may. How do, for all intents and purposes, defensive operational plans of Soviet Border Military districts fit in your picture of alleged Soviet aggressive preparations?
Soviet military doctrine was entirely offensive; when it talks about "defense" it actually means "attack". It was based on the concept that any war would be fought on the territory of the enemy, following an offensive by the Red Army.

Here is what Nekrich wrote on the subject in his book "June 22, 1941" [a pro-Soviet but anti-Stalinist book] (pp. 125-6):
Soviet military doctrine proceeded from the probability of a new world war, which would take on a long, drawn-out character. In this war a coalition of imperialist powers could move against the Soviet Union. The war would strain all the resources of the state: economic, political, and moral. It was assumed that the war would be carried on on the enemy's territory, have the character of a war of destruction, and victory would be achieved with little bloodshed.
And again (pp. 126-7):
It is completely clear that the danger of war with Germany in 1941 was underestimated. Working out the war plan in case of Hitlerite aggression, our command considered that, at the beginning of the attack, military operations would be carried on by limited covering forces, and that after the mobilization and deployment of the main force, we could smash the aggressor in the frontier zone and pass on to a general offensive, transferring operations to the enemy's territory. The defense of the western borders was entrusted to the border military districts. The sizable forces belonging to the border districts were deployed at a great distance from the border and did not have sufficient means of transportation. Individual units only were located in direct proximity to the border.

Little attention was directed to the question of strategic defence. Regarding offense as the main means of battle, our theory did not sufficiently work out the organization and implementation of defense, which was considered subordinate in relation to offense. It was imagined that defense would have a local character and would be mounted only in limited areas, and not on the whole battlefront.
When one reads between the lines of Nekrich's apologia, one thing becomes clear; the Red Army was preparing for offence, not defence. It was preparing for operations on the enemy's territory, which "would have the character of a war of destruction" (Nekrich's own words). Even if the word "defense" is used in documents, it is clear that it refers to preparing for an attack (called a "counter-offensive") into "enemy" territory.

Nekrich's account shows that the Soviet conception of "defence" consisted of initial limited fighting in local border areas, followed by a massive invasion of the enemy's territory. However, analysis of actual campaigns by the Red Army shows that the "military operations carried on by limited covering forces" and "mounted only in limited areas" actually were provocations by the Red Army intended to provide a justification for the "general offensive" of the Red Army, "transferring operations to the enemy's territory".

That was certainly the case in the outbreak of the war with Finland at the end of 1939. At the end of November, there were a number of clashes between the Red Army and Finnish forces, which the Soviet Government claimed were acts of aggression by Finland, but which Western historians believe were provocations by the Red Army. After a number of border clashes, the Red Army launched its offensive, invading Finnish territory.

The same thing happened with the earlier fighting at Nomonhan (Halhaiin Gol), on the border between Mongolia and Manchukuo (both, ironically, former provinces of the Chinese Empire which had been seized by the Soviet Union and Japan respectively). The clashes started in May 1939 with an attack by Mongolian soldiers on the Japanese garrison at Nomonhan; obviously the Mongolians were acting on Stalin's orders. The fighting flared up again in July, with clashes between the Red Army and the Japanese Army, in which the latter came off worst. The Soviet Government claimed that all these incidents were provoked by the Japanese, but it is equally possible that it was the Soviet side that provoked them. Finally, on 20 August the Red Army launched a massive offensive, which it called a "counter-attack", with five infantry divisions and five tank brigades. The Japanese were heavily outnumbered and badly defeated, losing 18,000 men.

Finally, the same thing happened at the beginning of the Korean War in June 1950. North Korea claimed that its massive invasion of the South was in retaliation for border violations by the South Korean Army. That must be considered an application of the Soviet doctrine of "defence"; limited border fighting, followed by a massive "counter-offensive" into the enemy's territory.

The above examples reveal a pattern by the Soviet Union or its satellites. When it wanted to invade a neighbouring country, or simply attack "enemy" forces, it would not attack immediately in force, but first manufacture border incidents, and then launch an overwhelming offensive.

It is likely that the same thing was happening on the Soviet-German border in the spring of 1941. Soviet forces were moving to the border, where a massive build-up was taking place. Since Soviet military doctrine was not based on static defence, but on a "counter-offensive" to "transfer" the fighting to the territory of the enemy, as Nekrich openly confirms, then the purpose of the Red Army concentration on the border must necessarily have been to eventually launch such a "counter-offensive", preceded by "border incidents".

If it was the Soviet intention to launch an offensive soon after the build-up of the Red Army on the border was completed, and such must have been the case since that build-up could have no other purpose under Soviet military doctrine, then we can assume that when the Red Army was ready to launch it, it would have manufactured border clashes with German forces. However, Soviet historiography claims that Stalin was very concerned to avoid any incidents which might provoke the Germans. That might be explained by his fear that the border incidents, which in Soviet military doctrine would precede the Red Army offensive, could be triggered off prematurely, before the Red Army was fully prepared to launch it.

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 01 Jan 2003, 21:07

Mr. Mills don’t make stuff up. Soviet military doctrine relied on the offensive when it could one. Then it could not do so it relied on the defensive strategy to prepare one – Khalkin-Gol being an example. Prior to conducting his offensive Zhukov had to fight rather protracted defensive campaign. In our specific case (pre-Barbarosssa) you have very specific defensive plan for the Western Military District that go into a details of how defense is to be conducted – there is no part of plan which talks of fighting on the enemy territory, and the only offensive move it provided for is to attack flanks of enemy’s mechanized spreadhead – which is in perfect agreement with what was envisioned for the defensive by the pre-war theorist.

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