Reconquest of Kiev 1943

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Reconquest of Kiev 1943

Post by Minotauros » 06 Nov 2007 14:32

64 years ago Kiev, the capital of the Ukraine, was reconquered by the troops of the Soviet 38th Army.

The accounts on this battle are quite unprecise: according to some sources, the city was evacuated by the German troops on November 6th, 1943, early in the morning, without fighting.

Other sources state that the city was recaptured after bitter street fighting that lasted for whole three days (3-6 November 1943).

My question is, which version of the two above is the right one.

Which German units were stationed in the city and participated in its defense?

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Re: Reconquest of Kiev 1943

Post by Art » 06 Nov 2007 16:57

Minotauros wrote: Other sources state that the city was recaptured after bitter street fighting that lasted for whole three days (3-6 November 1943).

The offensive of the 1st Ukrainian Front began on 3th November, however the starting positions were far enough from the streets of Kiev, so before 6th November the fightings occured on Kiev's outskirts at best.

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Post by Art » 07 Nov 2007 13:46

I was wrong, that happens when one relies on his memory too much. The units of 38th Army, namely 51st Rifle Corps reached Kiev on 5th November and by the end of that day had advanced as far as the city center. See the map from Moskalenko's memoirs:
http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/maps ... iev_43.gif
IIRC 5th Guards Tank Corps articipated in actions inside the city too.
As concerns the German evacuation the Soviet source describing the operation of the 1st Ukrainian front mentions that the withdrawl of columns of German troops from the city was noticed allready on 5th November. Given the fact that Kiev was enveloped from the west by the Tank Army it wasn't surprising. However, some fightings on the streets of the city occurred, though probably they took the form of rearguard actions for the German side.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 08 Nov 2007 17:40

Situational map from Hinze's Die Rückzugskämpfe in der Ukraine 1943/44 :wink:

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Post by Minotauros » 09 Nov 2007 15:18

Thank you, Jan-Hendrik, but the link doesn't work.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 09 Nov 2007 15:20

It works :wink:

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Post by Benoit Douville » 10 Nov 2007 20:03

Not only the Soviet 38th Army reconquered Kiev but also the men of the 1st Czechoslovak Independent Brigade, encouraged by Colonel Svoboda to fight for Kiev as they would fight for Prague and Bratislava. The Czechs fought in exemplary fashion, capturing the railway station by the evening of 5 November. Moskalenko two Corps 50 and 51st were at this juncture right inside the city along with the lead tanks of Kravchenko 5th Guards Tank Corps. The rattle and crack of the street fighting was drowned by the roar of demolitions, but the Germans 7 th Corps began to pull back as the Soviet encirclement tightened. On 6 November, 38th Army reported that Kiev, ripped and torn by bombardment and demolition was cleared from enemy troops. The liberation of Kiev has been carried out by the 1st Ukrainian Front.

Source: The Road to Berlin & Stalin War with Germany by Erickson

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Post by KACKO » 11 Nov 2007 03:08

Part of the Czechoslovak brigade was Czechoslovak tank battalion, it was its first battle.

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Post by Art » 11 Nov 2007 12:59

IIRC it was the first combat engagement of the whole brigade too. The predecessor of the brigade - separate Czechoslovak battalion commanded by L. Svoboda hade allready participated in actions in the vicinty of Kharkov in March 1943, where it suffered heavy casualties.

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Post by Qvist » 11 Nov 2007 20:27

Some figures for casualties of the German divisions in the Kiev sector, 1.-10.November, including Nachmeldungen:

(KIA/WIA/MIA/Total)

88.ID: 103 399 253 755
213.Sich.D.: 6 14 78 98
75.ID: 30 93 417 531 542
7.PzD 92/303/247 652
68.ID: 66/ 193/16/275
8.PzD: 62/ 268/ 106/ 436

Interestingly, 323.ID do not show up in the PzAOK 4 reports after II Dekade in October. 82.ID is missing only in the I Dekade November report.

These are, incidentally, pretty high figures, even for the period. Total for PzAOK 4, 6,796. This, as indicated, omits some divisions who were present (
323.ID and 82.ID).

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Post by KACKO » 13 Nov 2007 18:22

Art wrote:IIRC it was the first combat engagement of the whole brigade too. The predecessor of the brigade - separate Czechoslovak battalion commanded by L. Svoboda hade allready participated in actions in the vicinty of Kharkov in March 1943, where it suffered heavy casualties.


That's true, it was brigade first battle as a unit too.

Czechoslovak battalion was fighting in and around village Sokolovo near Kharkov. And after Kharkov was taken by Germans few Czechoslovak wounded soldiers in hospital there were killed by Germans.

Otakar Jaros was awarded for defense of Sokolovo Hero of Soviet Union as a first foreigner.

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