Musashi wrote:Dear Oleg!
I don't understand you why do you call the terrains of western Ukraine Belarus "Polish colonies". You can do it if you call the rest of the territories Soviet or Russian colonies. The terrritories of WHOLE Ukraine and Belarus belonged to Poland MUCH longer than to Russia/S.U.. The rights to the territories were equal for Poland and Russia. Poland was not ideal country for the Ukrainians and Belarussians, but the conditions of living in Russia/S.U. were much worse for them. Serious number of Ukrainians fled to Poland in 30's to not to die of femine. Look at the people of Ukraine. Where "real" Ukrainian are living? In the part of Ukraine which was controlled by Poland. The more to the east the less Ukrainian Ukrainians are. Most of them don't speak Ukrainian at all and in the western Ukraine all speak. When somebody try to call a man from the western Ukraine "Ruski" (Polish phrase), the man is very touchy and reply: "I am not Ruski, I am Ukrainian". For the most of people who live in the Eastern Ukraine there would be no difference. I have checked it. What about Belarus? The country is so russified that 90 % of people don't speak their mother language. They speak only Russian. Generally Belorussian is spoken only near Polish border. For me its very just
Ukraine and Belarus are neither Russian nor Polish now, but independent states.
Czechoslovakia
The small territory of Zaolzie (about 100 square kilometers) belonged to Poland for hundred of years and most of the population was (and is still!) Polish. The Czechs occupied the territory in 1919. Poland was in state of war with Soviet Union and Germany in the same time and was not able to
regain the territory.
By the way: do you really believe Stalin wanted to help the Czechs and Slovakians? For me you are intelligent man who don't believe in the fables. Its clear Uncle Joe wanted to OCCUPY Czechoslovakia, not to help it.
Pazdravlayu
I don't understand you why do you call the terrains of western Ukraine Belarus "Polish colonies". You can do it if you call the rest of the territories Soviet or Russian colonies. The terrritories of WHOLE Ukraine and Belarus belonged to Poland MUCH longer than to Russia/S.U.. The rights to the territories were equal for Poland and Russia. Poland was not ideal country for the Ukrainians and Belarussians, but the conditions of living in Russia/S.U. were much worse for them.
There were Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, enslaved by Poland after its merger with Lithuania, encorporated into the Russian Empire in the end of the 18c., quickly grabbed by Poland during the Civil War in Russia (btw Poland attacked and conquered in 1919 Western Ukrainian People's Republic, and then backstabbed the Ukrainian People's Republic, engaged against both Reds and Whites – it did not attack nonexistent back then USSR) , with which USSR had to settle after the signing of the Treaty of Riga. Nevertheless, there was no article of that treaty that Poland didn't violate right after it was signed. For example, the treaty specified that Poland was to protect the rights of the Ukrainian and Belorussians to their own culture, language, and religion. However, Poland launched a brutal campaign of polonization closing ALL Belorussian and Ukrainian schools. On top of that, colonization of its eastern territories started, where land was taken away from local Ukrainian and Belorussian peasants, and given to Polish colonists (osadniki). When in 1939, the USSR (which was a union of Ukrainians and Belorussians, among others) came into the area, it was specifically liberating Ukrainians and Belorussians from the Polish yoke. In 1991, Ukrainian and Belorussian republics exercised their right to secede from the USSR, with parts of their territories LIBERATED thanks to Soviet policies. Same goes for Northern Bukovina by Rumania during the Russian civil war. Bukovina belonged to Ukrainians, and that's exactly where it ended up.The whole Ukraine should not belong to Poland in the first place, nor should it have belonged to Russia.
As for Russia ( I assume you did mean Soviet Russia) did not claim any part of Ukraine, the lands in question were claimed by Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of which RSFSR happened to be an ally.
Look at the people of Ukraine. Where "real" Ukrainian are living? In the part of Ukraine which was controlled by Poland. The more to the east the less Ukrainian Ukrainians are. Most of them don't speak Ukrainian at all and in the western Ukraine all speak. When somebody try to call a man from the western Ukraine "Ruski" (Polish phrase), the man is very touchy and reply: "I am not Ruski, I am Ukrainian".
I advise you to conduct a little experiment – go to Kiev and tell them that they are nor real Ukrainians – I would recommend that you conduct your experiment closer to the hospital.
For the most of people who live in the Eastern Ukraine there would be no difference. I have checked it.
can I see the poll?
The small territory of Zaolzie (about 100 square kilometers) belonged to Poland for hundred of years and most of the population was (and is still!) Polish. The Czechs occupied the territory in 1919. Poland was in state of war with Soviet Union and Germany in the same time and was not able to regain the territory.
By the way: do you really believe Stalin wanted to help the Czechs and Slovakians? For me you are intelligent man who don't believe in the fables. Its clear Uncle Joe wanted to OCCUPY Czechoslovakia, not to help it.
sure, sure just a s Kiev. There was no Soviet Union in 1919 consequently Poland could not be at war with it.
By the way: do you really believe Stalin wanted to help the Czechs and Slovakians? For me you are intelligent man who don't believe in the fables. Its clear Uncle Joe wanted to OCCUPY Czechoslovakia, not to help it.
Do not know about USSR (I assume you can support your theory with related Soviet documents) but we definitely know what Polish intensions towards Czechoslovakia were.
