Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

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Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 15 Nov 2009 04:40

Hello to all :D; something more about the Campaign in Poland in September of 1939..........

The conquest of Grudziadz/Graudenz - From 01 till 04 Sep 1939.

Background.

The tension was growing up over East Prussia in that July 1939. During the diplomatic negotiations between the German and the Polish goverments the armies of Poland were getting gradually ready. On August 21 1939, the 21 ID (Generalleutnant von Both) became under XXI AK (Generalleutnant von Falkenhorst) which in turn was in the framework of the 3 AOK (General der Artillerie von Küchler) under H.Gr. North (Generaloberst von Bock); it was deployed in the Marienwerder area and supply depots were established well camouflaged deep within the forests.

In the meantime also Polish troops were deployed along the border. Here was deployed the Independent Group “Grudziadz” under plk Stefan Cieslak made up of the III. /65 pp (Maj Artur Guder); Battalion ON “Swiecie” (Maj Dobrzànski) and 3 Group 16 pal.

Sources: 10th Panzer Regiment 50 Anniversary 1937-1987. Pz-Btl 214 der Bundeswehr. Augustdorf. 1987.
KTB der XXI AK.
Kameradschaft der 21.Infanterie-Division. http://www.gedenktafel-infoportal.de/fo ... 9#msg19279
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... g/AR57.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bunde ... zer_IV.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 1394.shtml

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 19 Nov 2009 01:59

Hello to all :D; something more about the Campaign in Poland in September of 1939..........

The conquest of Grudziadz/Graudenz - From 01 till 04 Sep 1939.

Background.

The II. Abteilung (group) of the AR 57 consisted of: Commando and General Staff, Nachrichtenzug (Signal Platoon), topographic Group, a battery with guns of 100 mm, two batteries with heavy howitzers of 150 mm and three light columns of 24 tons;

In August of 1939 the Group moved to the area of Pomehrendorf, approximately 11 km to the east of Elblag. Here, the equipment was completed and it trained the replacements. For the 21 of August, the Group received the order to move to Mortung, 3 km to south-east of Alt-Christburg, occupying an assembly area. The Group integrated the Artillerie-Regiments-Stab z.b.V. 511 within the XXI AK subordinated of the 3 AOK.

On August 23 of 1939, the Group was mobilized still more near the border with Poland and the attack was planned for the 26 of August 1939. The 25 of August 1939 reached to the Group, the order to return immediately of the firing position in the zones of concentration, the attack was cancelled.

Sources: 10th Panzer Regiment 50 Anniversary 1937-1987. Pz-Btl 214 der Bundeswehr. Augustdorf. 1987.
KTB der XXI AK.
Kameradschaft der 21.Infanterie-Division. http://www.gedenktafel-infoportal.de/fo ... 9#msg19279
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... g/AR57.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bunde ... zer_IV.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 1394.shtml

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by Richard Hargreaves » 20 Nov 2009 14:29

and a little more...

[September 2nd 1939]

The enemy also offered determined resistance to 24 Infanterie Regiment, now advancing westwards, but the most bitter resistance was probably in the face of 45 Infanterie Regiment attacking Grabowitz. At first light it had already tried to dislodge the enemy standing in front of it, taking advantage of the heavy ground fog and strong artillery support. "After just a few minutes the heavy raking fire of the machine-guns and rifles and the bursting of grenades and mortars and enemy artillery forced us to take cover; we could only advance in individual leaps and bounds," reported Karlheinz Herzberg, a Gruppe leader in I/IR45. "Medics here, medics there. 'Medics', 'mother', 'mama', 'help', these cries were drowned out by commands and orders. In the haze an olive-green helmet appeared sporadically and then vanished. In the bright morning after gaining a few hundred metres of ground the order to dig in arrived. We lay in the middle of the enemy's barrage."
[Allmayer-Beck, Christoph Freihher von, Die Geschichte der 21 (ostpr/westpr) Infanterie Division, Schild Verlag, Munich, 1990, p.31]

and also

The Abteilung has been in two completely different parts of Poland. The assault on Graudenz passed through historic German territory with many German inhabitants. When German troops invaded the populace fled and were displaced. Farms stood empty, cattle and fowl ran around without their masters. Most German properties had been burned down by the Poles, so that everywhere we ran into heaps of rubble and in the distance we saw the glow of burning farms. Those Polish inhabitants still present were shy, reserved and create the impression of being devious.
During our second march into Poland the abteilung moved through solely Polish territory. The people were hideously dirty and depraved. The towns were predominantly inhabited by Jews. The farms and larger towns consisted of extremely poor cottages of which only the stoves and chimneys were made of stone. During our advance via Zambrow the Russian influence was obvious. The populace were clean and also approachable. The churches were built along Russian lines, the houses were large and more solid. The inhabitants had once been under Russian rule and did not particularly like the Polish Government. The Jews immediately began to deal with German soldiers and declared that they would very much welcome German rule. In some cases we even came across Jews who had emigrated from Germany just a few years ago. In some cases the old men had served as Russian soldiers in the World War and knew Germany from their time in captivity.
[Our Signals Abteilung in the Polish Campaign by Major Hannes Wolff, Kommandeur Nachrichten Abteilung 21 (killed in 1942, pp.14-15 in BA-MA RH26-21/223 Tapfer und Treue: Erlebnisberichte, Aufzeichnungen aus den Kriegsjahren, 21 ostpr-westpr Infanterie Division]

and

Order of the Day by Bock’s Army Group, September 7th 1939

The battle in West Prussia is over! Protected by the attack of the East Prussian corps and decisively supported by the rapid capture of fortress Graudenz, the army attacking the Corridor from Pomerania has marched through it in two days and dealt the enemy holding it a devastating blow. Up to now more than 10,000 prisoners, 90 guns and numerous pieces of military equipment have been reported captured and the numbers are still growing. The enemy has also suffered heavy, bloody losses. Border guards, Landwehr and youthful troops have been involved in this success – particularly East Prussians – as well as the Luftwaffe. Achievements in battle and on the march are outstanding.
Proud of the deeds of my troops, I give all of you, from the most senior commander to the youngest soldier, my thanks and most fulsome praise.
So onwards! Long live Germany! Long live the Führer!
– Von Bock

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 21 Nov 2009 17:55

Hello to all :D; thanks Richard for that complement. Now something more about the Campaign in Poland in September of 1939..........

The conquest of Grudziadz/Graudenz - From 01 till 04 Sep 1939.

Fall Weiss. 01 Sep 1939.

XXI AK’s KTB:

After the failure of the diplomatic negotiations the attack’s order for the German troops was set.

At 04:45 hours the attack went under way and the troops got across the border line without enemy reaction. There was low fog during the morning which was lifting by 07:00 hours. In order to achieve surprise the artillery fires on the enemy rear opened up at 05:30 hours on Bhf. Goßlershausen, Schwetz and barracks Graudenz. By 13:00 hours the Ossa was reached against weak resistance at Sakrau (AA 21) – Klodtken and the mill Slupp.

The resistance stiffened the attack was resumed in the afternoon and by nightfall had reached the following line:

21 ID: Sakrau (AA 21) – northern bank of the Ossa at Klodtken – Point 88 (2 km southeast Klodtken) – Kgl Dombrowken – Sallno – Sallnoer lake – Orla forest.

228 ID: Orla forest – south edge Szczepanken – Bogdanken. The attack carried out by the 228 ID was supported by the I./ PR 10 all day long. In order to seize this significant point still this very day, the panzerabteilung should cross the Ossa at Schloss Roggenhausen towards Orla in order to open the mill Slupp from the south. The tank attack reached Slupp, however the IR 325 could not reach Slupp from the north.

Sources: 10th Panzer Regiment 50 Anniversary 1937-1987. Pz-Btl 214 der Bundeswehr. Augustdorf. 1987.
KTB der XXI AK.
Kameradschaft der 21.Infanterie-Division. http://www.gedenktafel-infoportal.de/fo ... 9#msg19279
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... g/AR57.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bunde ... zer_IV.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 1394.shtml

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 26 Nov 2009 03:42

Hello to all ; something more about the Campaign in Poland in September of 1939..........

The conquest of Grudziadz/Graudenz - From 01 till 04 Sep 1939.

Fall Weiss. 01 Sep 1939.

XXI AK’s KTB:

CP in the evening:

XXI AK at Wiedersee; Quartermaster abteilung in its garrison.
21 ID at Gardenge (1 km northwest Schloss Roggenhausen).
228 ID at Lessen.
I./ PR 10 by 22:00 hours at AK disposal at Lipowitz.
MG Btl 9 at Freystadt.

Grenzwatch Rgt 11 had reached the line Traugeler lake and the line edge Schwarzenau - Wonno - Karrasch Lake.

1.(H)/ Fl 10 and AA (Mot) 1 should carry out reconnaissance tasks against the forest north of Strasbourg. It was known that enemy forces were coming from this area against the AK’s flank.

No enemy actions/movements on the AK’s flank, just riders and cyclist against Radomno in the evening.

At 21:00 hours the AK sent to the subordinates units the orders for next day 02 Sep 1939.

Sources: 10th Panzer Regiment 50 Anniversary 1937-1987. Pz-Btl 214 der Bundeswehr. Augustdorf. 1987.
KTB der XXI AK.
Kameradschaft der 21.Infanterie-Division. http://www.gedenktafel-infoportal.de/fo ... 9#msg19279
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... g/AR57.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bunde ... zer_IV.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 1394.shtml

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 28 Nov 2009 20:22

Hello to all :D; something more about the Campaign in Poland in September of 1939..........

The conquest of Grudziadz/Graudenz - From 01 till 04 Sep 1939.

Fall Weiss. 01 Sep 1939.

A young witness recalled: At five o’clock on the morning of September 1st 1939 the whole family tumbled out of bed at the sound of tremendous gun-fire. We lived in Garnsee in East Prussia, about five miles from the Polish border: the war had begun. I was fourteen.

Straight away, on that day, the first casualties, wounded and dead, were brought back to the village. One of the dead was our relatively new school teacher, a man in his twenties, who had brought a welcome breath of fresh air into school; most of the teachers were elderly.

Losses for the first day for the XXI AK:

KIA: 1 Off., 42 NCOs and men.
WIA: 6. Off, 135 NCOs and men.
MIA: 1 Off, 4 men.

Sources: 10th Panzer Regiment 50 Anniversary 1937-1987. Pz-Btl 214 der Bundeswehr. Augustdorf. 1987.
KTB der XXI AK.
Kameradschaft der 21.Infanterie-Division. http://www.gedenktafel-infoportal.de/fo ... 9#msg19279
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... g/AR57.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bunde ... zer_IV.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 1394.shtml

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 02 Dec 2009 21:45

Hello to all :D; something more about the Campaign in Poland in September of 1939..........

The conquest of Grudziadz/Graudenz - From 01 till 04 Sep 1939.

Fall Weiss. 01 Sep 1939.

With the 21 ID:

On August 20 of 1939, the regiment left its garrison and then went to the border with Poland. The unit lodged to the west of Freystadt. On August 25 of 1939, the IR 3 was alarmed and it moved towards the borderline. During the night of August 26 of 1939, the regiment received the order to stop the march and then to move back to its assembly area. In night from August 31 to September 01 of 1939 the regiment marched again towards the international limit and this time there was no counter-order.

On the morning of 01 September 1939 at 04:45 hours, through the fog, the Infantry Regiments belonging to the 21 ID and supporting by the AR 21’s groups jumped off from the Gaarnsee; eastward of it – as a flank protection – was deployed the 228 ID.

The attack’s objective was Graudenz with its fortress Courbiere. The IR 24 (Oberst Sponheimer) employed in the center advanced up to the Ossa at Schloss Roggenhausen could take nearly intact and established a strong bridgehead there. The IR 45 (Oberst v. Behr) located to the right, found strong defensive positions south of Schloss Roggenhausen and fought its way up to the Ossa River however could not get across of it. The IR 3 (Oberst v. Reibnitz) had reached already in the morning the assigned sector on the Ossa River but there the resistance stiffened and saw itself engaged in heavy fights within the forest. Own tanks (I./ PR 10) with peace garrison at Zinten (East Prussia) crossed the Ossa river at Schloss Roggenhausen heading to Orla in order to win and clear the river’s south bank before the IR 3, which could get across only one of its battalions. During the night (01 to 02 Sep 1939) all parts of the Division were brought to the south river bank over the bridge located at Schloss Roggenhausen.

Whereas the II. /AR 57 occupied their firing position again on August 31 1939. On Sep 01 1939 at the 04:45 hours the Artillery battalion unleashed the planned barrages on the positions already recognized on the border. To mid-morning it realised a shift of position in the direction of the northeast of Schloss Roggenhausen (Rogozno). Here, the Group had its two first wounded ones. On the Ossa River the Group furnished fire support while the IR 45 went across the water obstacle. In the evening shot harassment fire executed on the localities of Melno, Schwetz, Nitzwalde and Brutta.

At 10:00 hours took place the first serious confrontations in the zone of Łasina and Rogóźna and shortly after the Polish battalions began to retreat but around 19:00 hours the German advance was stopped. General Boltuc ordered to the 4 DP to leave weak forces in the zone of Jablonowo (I./ 14 pp) and to move to the region of Melno.

Sources: 10th Panzer Regiment 50 Anniversary 1937-1987. Pz-Btl 214 der Bundeswehr. Augustdorf. 1987.
KTB der XXI AK.
Kameradschaft der 21.Infanterie-Division. http://www.gedenktafel-infoportal.de/fo ... 9#msg19279
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... g/AR57.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bunde ... zer_IV.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 1394.shtml

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by Peter K » 06 Dec 2009 18:10

Hello fellows,

Casualties of 21. Inf.Div. during combats in the region of Grudziądz (officer losses in brackets):

MIA refers only to MIA without a trace (number of MIA in total must have been much bigger as between 01.09.1939 and 03.09.1939 only Polish 14th Inf.Rgt. captured 140 POWs, mainly from 21. Inf.Div. but also from other units).*

Inf.Rgt.3 - 39 (0) KIA, 112 (6) WIA, 4 (0) MIA
Inf.Rgt.24 - 42 (0) KIA, 131 (1) WIA, 7 (0) MIA
Inf.Rgt.45 - 31 (1) KIA, 120 (10) WIA, 2 (0) MIA
Pz.Abw.Abt.21 - 1 (0) KIA, 1 (0) WIA, 0 (0) MIA
Art.Rgt.21 - 2 (0) KIA, 32 (2) WIA, 0 (0) MIA
I./Art.Rgt.57 - 0 (0) KIA, 1 (1) WIA, 0 (0) MIA
Aufkl.Abt.21 - 16 (1) KIA, 26 (0) WIA, 4 (0) MIA
Pi.Btl.21 - 0 (0) KIA, 3 (2) WIA, 0 (0) MIA
Na.Abt.21 - 0 (0) KIA, 4 (2) WIA, 0 (0) MIA
Krad-Meldzug 21 - 1 (0) KIA, 0 (0) WIA, 0 (0) MIA

In brackets officers + NCOs:

Total - 132 (2 + 27) KIA, 430 (24 + 61) WIA, 17 (0 + 0) MIA = 579 bloody casualties

*Among German POWs captured near Grudziądz was Oblt. Rithen from IR.3 (he returned from captivity on 18 IX).

On the other hand casualties of Polish 14th Inf.Rgt. in period 1 - 3 IX (many of them caused by Luftwaffe**) were:

KIA - 6 officers, 11 NCOs and 97 men
WIA - 4 officers, 9 NCOs and 169 men
MIA (including captured) - 4 officers, 7 NCOs and 64 men

**On 03.09.1939 regiment was bombed by 60 German bombers (probably Ju-87) - over 300 bombs exploded.

Apart from Luftwaffe bombings heavy losses were suffered in ground combats for Gruta and lake Melno. During the same time 14th pp captured 140 POWs, mainly in the area of lake Melno. Sketch showing the area of combats:

Image

Sources:

- "Die Geschichte der 21. (ostpr./westpr.) Infanterie-Division" by Christoph von Allmayer
- "Dziennik bojowy 14 pp z wojny polsko-niemieckiej 1939 roku" by Cpt. Józef Kosiński

Sketch No 2 is taken from the combat diary of 14th Inf.Rgt. by Cpt. Józef Kosiński (p. 12 of the combat diary).

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And something extra - casualties of 14th Inf.Rgt. during the entire Defensive War of Poland in 1939:

Officers + NCOs + men

KIA - 32 + 44 + 469
WIA - 26 + 48 + 694
In captivity - 66 + 82 + 765

Most of losses were suffered during the battle of Bzura and later in the Kampinoska Forest.

Source: "Dziennik bojowy 14 pp z wojny polsko-niemieckiej 1939 roku" by Cpt. Józef Kosiński

Best regards!
Peter

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by Peter K » 06 Dec 2009 18:49

Moreover - Richard - I'm almost sure that mentioned Oberleutnant Rithen (maybe misspelling?) is the same man as described in your book (page 328) Lt. Udo von Ritgen who - together with a group of German POWs (let me guess - it numbered 140 men?) - reached Kutno on 12.09.1939 where they met another group of 550 POWs from 30. Inf.Div.

Moreover, you write that mentioned Leutnant was released from captivity 6 days later "when German forces captured Iłów" (so on 18.09.1939 !). Polish sources also confirm that German POWs from the POW camp in Iłów were released on 18.09.1939 (however, according to Polish sources they were released by Poles themselves, not by German units). And as we know from the history of 21. Inf.Div. - this officer (Oblt. Rithen) returned from captivity on 18.09.1939!

Everything fits together so it is almost certain that Oblt. Rithen and Lt. Udo von Ritgen is the same man!

Was Leutnant Udo von Ritgen / Rithen indeed serving in 21. Infanterie-Division (Infanterie-Regiment 3.)?

If it comes to the Lt. / Oblt. issue - maybe he was promoted from Lt. to Oblt. after returning from captivity?

Best regards!
Peter

PS:

Iłów was a quite huge POW camp for German POWs - by the time of releasing them from the camp (on 18.09.1939), there were around 2,700 - 3,000 POWs there (according to Waldemar Rezmer, "Armia Pomorze w kampanii polskiej 1939 roku: bitwa nad Bzurą", 2004 and Stanislaw Slawinski, "Od Borów Tucholskich do Kampinosu", 1977).

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 07 Dec 2009 02:35

Hello to all :D; thanks Domen, interesting indeed. Now something more ..........

The conquest of Grudziadz/Graudenz - From 01 till 04 Sep 1939.

Fall Weiss. 02 Sep 1939

On Sep 02 1939 at 06:00 o’clock the IR 3 should begin its attack heading eastwards (towards Orla) on the enemy’s flank. Due to the dense fog, the assault’s time was shifted again and again; it began finally at 09:00 hours being successful however. The 21 ID’s mass jumped off at 10:00 hours heading west but was halted due to heavy enemy fire. Nevertheless, the new X-time did not reach the I./ IR 24 so its attack went under way at 08:00 hours and without artillery support it could seize the center and the cemetery of Kgl. Dombrowken; however due to own artillery fire within the village, the battalion should leave the town which was finally taken afterwards.

In the afternoon, the IR 24 moved further ahead in the direction of the Pfaffenberg. With tank and aerial support it could break into the enemy positions at Grabowitz and Ellernitz. The flank’s security were provided by the IR 3, the AA 21, the Pz Abw Abt 21 and parts of the Pi Btl 21 covering towards south and southwest. These forces could reject several raids accomplished by a weak enemy during the night as well as one powerful polish counterattack on Nitzwalde next day (II./ 65 pp reinforced with artillery).

On Sept 02 of 1939, the II. /AR 57 got across the Ossa River at noon. During afternoon fired on Graudenz and the Fort of Courbiere.

After violent combats the 16 DP was compelled to retreat on the heights that dominate the railroad Grudziazdz - Brodnica. In the evening General Boltuc ordered the Commander of the 4 DP to reject the enemy of the Ossa River while the 16 DP and the 14 pp had to solidly maintain the railroad. But the Commander of the 16 DP did not manage to control itself and ordered the withdrawal of his division and the 14 pp to Radzyn. The counterattack was delayed and began just at dusk. The Germans were rejected from the railroad but they stayed to the south of the river.

The General Boltuc decided then:

To stop the retreat of the 16 DP.
To dismiss the Commander of the 4 DP (plk Switalski by plk Szyszko-Bohusz).
To continue the counterattack on the following day

Sources: 10th Panzer Regiment 50 Anniversary 1937-1987. Pz-Btl 214 der Bundeswehr. Augustdorf. 1987.
KTB der XXI AK.
Kameradschaft der 21.Infanterie-Division. http://www.gedenktafel-infoportal.de/fo ... 9#msg19279
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... g/AR57.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bunde ... zer_IV.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 1394.shtml
La Campaña de Polonia. Septiembre de 1939. Robert Jars. Círculo militar.

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 09 Dec 2009 21:24

Hello to all :D; something more ..........

The conquest of Grudziadz/Graudenz - From 01 till 04 Sep 1939.

Fall Weiss. 03 Sep 1939

On Sep 03 1939 after strong artillery preparation, the attack carried out by the 21 ID continued. Elements belonging to the IR 24 and IR 45 supported by tanks (I./ PR 10) could advance, going into the town’s centre of Graudenz; however they were taken back during the night in order to avoid losses in the darkness. On the other hand, the division could push parts of the IR 3 and IR 24 in order to isolate the city from the south. Along that defensive line the I. and II./ IR 3 rejected a strong Polish outbreak attempt. In the meantime, tank forces belonging to 4 AOK had appeared on the Weichsel’s west bank before Graudenz (it was in fact the Guderian’s XIX AK Mot). The bridge was then blown up and Poland took off the mass of their troops to the south.

After the fall of Graudenz on September 03 of 1939, the Artillery battalion (II./ AR 57) was displaced to occupy new positions in the neighborhood of Gehlenburg in the south of Eastern Prusia.

On September 03 of 1939, in the morning, the adversary (German) reassumed the offensive and the 4 DP could stay with great difficulty in their positions. The contact between the Army Corps Boltuc and the garrison of Grudziadz was cut and this last one was surrounded.

Plk Cieslak received the order to fall back towards the south with his troops; in the course of the fights the Commander of Battalion ON “Swiecie”, Maj Dobrzànski and the Chief of the 7./16 pal Kpt Majewski, fell in action.

Sources: 10th Panzer Regiment 50 Anniversary 1937-1987. Pz-Btl 214 der Bundeswehr. Augustdorf. 1987.
KTB der XXI AK.
Kameradschaft der 21.Infanterie-Division. http://www.gedenktafel-infoportal.de/fo ... 9#msg19279
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... g/AR57.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bunde ... zer_IV.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 1394.shtml
La Campaña de Polonia. Septiembre de 1939. Robert Jars. Círculo militar.

Feliz Navidad - Feliz Natal - Frohe Weihnachten - Joyeux Noël - Merry Christmas. :up:

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 13 Dec 2009 12:15

Hello to all :D; last part..........

The conquest of Grudziadz/Graudenz - From 01 till 04 Sep 1939.

Fall Weiss. 04 Sep 1939

September 04 of 1939 and without substantial resistance of mention, the fortress of Courbiere fell into the hands of IR 45. Oberst v. Behr received the unconditional surrender in the city council of Graudenz. The mass of the division meanwhile had began the pursuit of the enemy in south direction towards Briesen. In the evening - to the north of Rheden – the Division received the message by which the unit had to be concentrated itself in the zone of Garnsee for being used elsewhere of the front. The first battle mission had been fulfilled.

In this day the Polish garrison of Grudziadz which managed to break through the encirclement, took contact with the troops of the 4 DP.

Sources: 10th Panzer Regiment 50 Anniversary 1937-1987. Pz-Btl 214 der Bundeswehr. Augustdorf. 1987.
KTB der XXI AK.
Kameradschaft der 21.Infanterie-Division. http://www.gedenktafel-infoportal.de/fo ... 9#msg19279
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... g/AR57.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... er/IR3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bunde ... zer_IV.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 1394.shtml
La Campaña de Polonia. Septiembre de 1939. Robert Jars. Círculo militar.

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by Peter K » 13 Dec 2009 12:47

Polish POWs march across the streets of Grudziądz:

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by tigre » 17 Dec 2009 22:40

Thanks Peter :D

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Re: Grudziądz (Graudenz) 1939.

Post by Peter K » 30 Dec 2009 16:28

During our second march into Poland the abteilung moved through solely Polish territory. The people were hideously dirty and depraved. The towns were predominantly inhabited by Jews. The farms and larger towns consisted of extremely poor cottages of which only the stoves and chimneys were made of stone. During our advance via Zambrow the Russian influence was obvious. The populace were clean and also approachable. The churches were built along Russian lines, the houses were large and more solid. The inhabitants had once been under Russian rule and did not particularly like the Polish Government. The Jews immediately began to deal with German soldiers and declared that they would very much welcome German rule. In some cases we even came across Jews who had emigrated from Germany just a few years ago. In some cases the old men had served as Russian soldiers in the World War and knew Germany from their time in captivity.


Well, Królestwo Polskie (Tsarstvo Polskoye) was more economically developed than any region of Russia in period 1815 - 1916 so I would rather say that these poor villages were Russian influence and rich towns were Polish influence:

Królestwo Polskie since 1815:

http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl ... Kongresowe





How the Russian influence looked like Germans saw in 1941... :

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