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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by tigre » 29 Apr 2018 14:33

Hello to all :D; meanwhile on the other side ........................

In the context of the Battle of Uman - July 1941.

The combat actions of the SS Division Wiking in the period from July 17 to 26, 1941, were developed following four phases:

I. Attack of the Reinforced SS-Germania Regiment, on July 17 and 18, 1941 from Belaja-Zerkowj on Trozke towards Taraschtscha.
Attack of the Reinforced SS-Westland Regiment from Belaja-Tserkovy via Oljanka, Jeserno towards Ploskie on July 17 and 18, 1941.

II. Defense of the Reinforced SS-Westland Regiment, on the line LissowitsChi - Potoki - Taraschtscha from July 18 to 21, 1941.
and of the Reinforced SS-Germania Regiment with the SS Pi. Btl. 5 on the left wing, on the line Taraschtscha - Krivna - Ssinjawa - Ostroff - Trozke - Pugachevka from 19 to 26 July 1941.

III. Attack of the Battle Group von Scholz on Luka towards Boguslaw the 23 and 24 of July of 1941.
and the Battle Group Stolz in the Kotluga sector between Ssawarka - Kirdany on 22, 23 and 24 July 1941.

IV. Defense on the line reached and also on the Luka - Kozhevoyeye line to the south on 25 and 26 July 1941.

Sources: Ic - Belrichte der Division an Generalkommando XIV. A.K. 29.7.1941.
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/124 ... -1960-1988

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by Kelvin » 29 Apr 2018 17:54

HI, Tigre, did 25. infanterie division (mot.) take part in battle of Uman ? Or just blocking force against Soviet reinforcement ? Thank

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by tigre » 29 Apr 2018 19:57

Hello Kelvin :D; a little help...........................

The 25. ID (Mot) in the frame of the Uman battle 1941.

As July 23, 1941 the division was relieved by an infantry division iin the front of Kiew. The advance followed via Skwira and Biala Cerkow to the area around Taraschtscha. There the 25. ID (Mot) was attached to the XIV. AK (Mot) under General v. Wietersheim and the IR 119 (Mot) with the AA 25 remained as Army Corps reserve. Meanwhile the reinforced IR 35 (Mot) was to attack an enemy group that blocked the road Taraschtscha - Swenigorodka at Medwin...........A Pz Abteilung allocated by the Army Corps suported the attack. In bitter house to house combat the I. and II./ IR 35 with combat teams pf the 2./ Pi 25 opened the road and also established a shield to the encirclement of Uman towards the east and finally closed an internal Corps cauldron west of Medwin between the 25. ID (Mot) due north and east, the SS-Wiking in the northwest and the 9. Pz in the southwest.................

Source: Die Geschichte der 25. Infanterie Division 1939-1945

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by Kelvin » 29 Apr 2018 20:08

Hello, Tigre,thank so much for your help. Another division , exactly it was 16. Pz division or 16.infanterie division (mot.) took Perovmavsk ? May you clarify what role played by both divisions, I am confused in many different book or articles in internet. Thank

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by tigre » 30 Apr 2018 17:15

Hello Kelvin :D; more...........................

The 16. ID (Mot) 1941.

As of June 22, the division fought in Russia. There were first fights in Dubno, Werba, Sokal, Ostrog and Zaslaw. On 6 and 7 July, the division broke through the Stalin line west of Lubar. Lubar itself was conquered on July 9th. The unit continued to Vinnitsa, Uman and Talnoye. Heavy fights by Nowo Arkhangelsk, as well as at Sverdlikovo and Dobrovodje. From 7th to 9th August the division marched south to Wossnessensk on the Bug. On August 15, it turned to Nikolayev and the Kriwoi Rog area for the Dnieper.................

The 16. Pz 1941.

On June 24, 1941, the division, following the 11th Panzer Division, crossed the Bug at Sokal-Krystinopol. Heavy tank battles by Dubno-Werba from 27 June to 1 July. By Kremeniece, Jampol and Staro-Konstantinov were taken, after heavy fighting, the Horyn crossing and west of Lubar broken the strong Stalin line. Subsequently, the division turned south and marched to Ukraine, where it participated in the Battle of Uman. In the fighting, the Panzeraufklärungs-Abteilung 16 and the Kradschützenbataillon 16 were smashed and had to be organized anew in Germany. On August 3, the Bug bridge at Pervomaisk was taken and the division continued its advance on Nikolayev on the Black Sea, which was taken on 16 August............

Source: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n/16ID.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... 16PD-R.htm

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by Kelvin » 02 May 2018 03:37

tigre wrote:Hello Kelvin :D; more...........................

The 16. ID (Mot) 1941.

As of June 22, the division fought in Russia. There were first fights in Dubno, Werba, Sokal, Ostrog and Zaslaw. On 6 and 7 July, the division broke through the Stalin line west of Lubar. Lubar itself was conquered on July 9th. The unit continued to Vinnitsa, Uman and Talnoye. Heavy fights by Nowo Arkhangelsk, as well as at Sverdlikovo and Dobrovodje. From 7th to 9th August the division marched south to Wossnessensk on the Bug. On August 15, it turned to Nikolayev and the Kriwoi Rog area for the Dnieper.................

The 16. Pz 1941.

On June 24, 1941, the division, following the 11th Panzer Division, crossed the Bug at Sokal-Krystinopol. Heavy tank battles by Dubno-Werba from 27 June to 1 July. By Kremeniece, Jampol and Staro-Konstantinov were taken, after heavy fighting, the Horyn crossing and west of Lubar broken the strong Stalin line. Subsequently, the division turned south and marched to Ukraine, where it participated in the Battle of Uman. In the fighting, the Panzeraufklärungs-Abteilung 16 and the Kradschützenbataillon 16 were smashed and had to be organized anew in Germany. On August 3, the Bug bridge at Pervomaisk was taken and the division continued its advance on Nikolayev on the Black Sea, which was taken on 16 August............

Source: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n/16ID.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... 16PD-R.htm

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Hi, Tigre, thank for your data, but exactly 16.infanterie division (mot.) took part in battle of Uman or just passed through that area to Nikolayev ? Thank

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by tigre » 11 May 2018 21:22

Hello Kelvin :D; answering your question...............................

The 16. ID (Mot) by Uman 1941.

Full map: http://www.istor-44gsd.ru/images_din/Map/map307.jpg

Source: http://www.istor-44gsd.ru/Html/Hrono_307.html

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by tigre » 03 Jun 2018 01:47

Hello to all :D; more information about it ................................

In the context of the Battle of Uman - July 1941.

According to the statements of the prisoners, on July 17 and 18, 1941, the SS-Germania attacking in the direction of Taraschtscha on both sides of the advance road encountered resistance from the 97th Rifle Div. in particular Rifle Reg 69 and the Comm. Btl. 47. The other rifle regiments, 136 and 233 (according to the declaration of a prisoner), did not take part in the fight, had already been displaced, by orders of the division, in the direction of Ssinjawa. Later should also follow Rifle Reg. 69

In the Ssinjawa area there was also the Command of the VI. Rifle Corps. According to the declarations of the prisoners, the regiments 136 and 233 participated in the later defensive battles against the German regiment SS-Germania.

The 97th Division was already quite battered by the previous battles. According to the writings, like the statements of the prisoners, the division was led by Colonel Zakharov.

On July 18, 1941, in Pugatjovka and Osstroff the 41st Rifle Division came into combat, which was in movement from Rokitno to Oljschaniza. (Declarations of the members of RR 139, 244, 102 and of AR 132, as well as Eng. Btl. 58). The Rifle Reg. 139 suffered many casualties according to the statements (some 300 dead and wounded) due to the fighting with a German armored unit in Skwira and would have only a manpower of around 1,000 men.

On July 20, 1941, on the SS-Wiking front, south of Kardany was the Cav. Reg. 34, belonging to the 3rd Cav. Div. In addition, on the same day in the forest southeast of Taraschtscha also appeared the Rifle Reg. 617. Initially it was only the II. Btl., Which had been transported in trucks from Boguslaw. East of Taraschtscha was the Rifle Reg. 492

On July 21, 1941 the enemy launched his attack by Kardany towards Taraschtscha. Aerial reconnaissance reported the concentration of about 30 tanks. The division (SS-Wiking) requested a Stuka attack that was unleashed at sunset with good results ..........................

Sources: Ic - Berichte der Division an Generalkommando XIV. A.K. 29.7.1941.
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/124 ... -1960-1988
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Foto-Flak-Rgt- ... 100623.m-1

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by tigre » 10 Jun 2018 19:01

Hello to all :D; more about it ................................

In the context of the Battle of Uman - July 1941.

Also on July 22, 1941, the day began with intense artillery fire on the entire defensive front of the division in Taraschtscha. Then followed a furious attack on the I. / SS-Germania and both adjacent sectors. The last reserves were engaged and managed to close the gap at the front. Early in the morning the Stukas supported the heavily pressured infantry in the defensive struggle by making raids on Kirdany and Rokitno and the wooded area to the north and northwest of the latter town.

On July 22, 1941, in the south wing of the division, in the forest east of Lissovichi and Potoki (north of Lubianovka), there were also the I. and III. Btl. of Rifle Reg. 617, therefore the entire regiment was concentrated. The last two mentioned battalions were brought from Boguslaw on the Boguslaw - Luka - Taraschtscha road the night before and were used on July 22 at 10:00 hours. The Rifle Reg. 617 belonged to the 199º Rifle Div., which was in Boguslaw and whose Rifle Reg. 492 also participated in the fight in Taraschtscha that day. The Rifle Reg. 492 was ordered to avoid Taraschtscha by the south and then attack along the advance road in Belaja-Zerkowj.

As indicated later in the statements of the prisoners, should also attack the 3rd and 14th Cavalry Divisions in Belaja-Tserkov with the same order. This statement was complemented by the recce of the Kampfgruppe Stolz, which took place on July 21 in Berezanka, Velikaya-Volynanka and Malayanka which reported enemy cavalry units and also by the attack of 2 - 3 squads on July 22 in the south wing the III./SS-Germania from the direction of Berezanka.

Also on July 22, 1941, it was affirmed that there were the 14th Cav. Div. with 4 regiments (76, 92, 39 and 129, in the sector Taraschtscha - Krivas and the 3rd Cav. Div. with 3 regiments (34, 60 and 159) to the west of Bolkun on both sides of the Kotluga stream. The two divisions had the task of encircling Taraschtscha and attacking towards Belaja-Tserkov. After this attack on the SS-Wiking Wiking division was not carried out, both divisions of should keep its positions. The prisoners were not aware of an order to withdraw both divisions, according to the statements of the prisoners, only parts of this division should be replaced to remain as a reserve in the depth of their sector..........................

Sources: Ic - Berichte der Division an Generalkommando XIV. A.K. 29.7.1941.
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/124 ... -1960-1988

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by tigre » 17 Jun 2018 16:38

Hello to all :D; more about it ................................

In the context of the Battle of Uman - July 1941.

Nevertheless these were the last acts against the flank in the sector of the encirclement that defended the 1. Armored Group, since the troops of the III. AK (Mot) approached the battlefield pressing against the enemy's flank and rear. Around noon on July 22, 1941, artillery fire decreased on the northern front of the division (SS-Wiking) and the infantry attack stopped. The SS-Wiking now can finally shake up the opponent and the General Command of the XIV. AK (Mot) can throw to the combat in direction of Uman to the 9. Pz retained to the southeast of Belaja-Tserkov. While the SS-Wiking Division Command Post was moved to Potoki and continued the attack of the Gefechtsgruppe (Combat Group) Stolz to the southwest of the enemy wing that was launched already since the morning of July 22.

While the SR 33 crushed the enemy cavalry in front of the Gefechtsgruppe Stolz by an attack launched from Jushkorog towards Beresjanka. The heights between Beresjanka and Koshewalnij were cleared of adversaries. Light patrols of the 15./SS-Westland secured the wing and flank of the combat group in the attack. It was also necessary to execute a second attack of Stuka aircraft that was effectively fulfilled.

In summary, in the section of the Kotluga in front of the Combat Group Stolz, attacking towards the northeast and from July 25, 1941 of the Combat Group Scholz attacking by Luka towards Boguslaw, except parts of the 3rd and 14th Cavalry Divisions, found the 199th (Rifle Reg. 617, 492, parts of the 584 and the 1. AR 147) and the 227th (Rifle Reg. 689, 789, 794, 678 and the mixed AR 145) Rifle Divisions, also the 353 and the Eng. Bat. and a Signal battalion as new troops.

Sources: Ic - Berichte der Division an Generalkommando XIV. A.K. 29.7.1941.
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/124 ... -1960-1988
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flak-Rgt-2 ... 0013.m1986

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by Kelvin » 07 Oct 2018 10:41

Hi, Tigre, did only Germania Infantry regiment join the Uman battle ? Thank

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by tigre » 08 Oct 2018 01:47

Hello Kelvin :D; AFAIK plus the SS Wiking's units engaged in/around Taraschtscha...................

Talnoje 1941.

July 23, 1941

SS-WESTLAND reaches its final objective, the Kotluga depression at the cost of:
KIA: 10 officers - 12 NCO's - 70 men,
WIA: 8 officers - 52 NCO's - 300 men.

During following actions SS-WESTLAND, meanwhile south of Talnoje in order to close the Uman pocket it experienced one of the first war crimes. About 25 men of 1st platoon 1.Kompanie under command of Untersturmführer Weisswasser were found dead and severely mutilated after their position was overrun by russian forces.............

Source: Time table of the Panzer(Grenadier)Division 'Wiking'. http://archive.li/www.wiking-ruf.com

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by Kelvin » 14 Oct 2018 09:28

tigre wrote:
08 Oct 2018 01:47
Hello Kelvin :D; AFAIK plus the SS Wiking's units engaged in/around Taraschtscha...................

Talnoje 1941.

July 23, 1941

SS-WESTLAND reaches its final objective, the Kotluga depression at the cost of:
KIA: 10 officers - 12 NCO's - 70 men,
WIA: 8 officers - 52 NCO's - 300 men.

During following actions SS-WESTLAND, meanwhile south of Talnoje in order to close the Uman pocket it experienced one of the first war crimes. About 25 men of 1st platoon 1.Kompanie under command of Untersturmführer Weisswasser were found dead and severely mutilated after their position was overrun by russian forces.............

Source: Time table of the Panzer(Grenadier)Division 'Wiking'. http://archive.li/www.wiking-ruf.com

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Hi, Tigre, thank for your help.

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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by Volyn » 17 Nov 2018 23:56

This map shows 1. verstärktes SS-Regiment "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler" placed to the North of the 11 Pz.Div. - what was the combat route that this unit took during the battle?
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Re: Uman. 1941

Post by tigre » 19 Nov 2018 15:45

Hello Volyn :D; in short.....................

Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler - March road 1941

Although not yet fully trained, the brigade marched over Olomouc - Ratibor - Beuthen - Annopol to Lutsk, where it was placed on July 1, 1941 under the Panzer Group 1. It was followed by a first use in thearea of Rovno with the III. AK. On July 8, 1941, the operation followed in the area Sokolov - Miropol. These first heavy fighting showed the inadequate training of the brigade members, especially in use with the combined weapons. This was reflected in heavy losses again. Between July 17 - 24, 1941 heavy fighting took place in the Belgorodka area. On July 31, 1941, the brigade became subordinated to the XXXXVIII. AK and moved south to the area of Nowo Arkhangelsk, where it closed the cauldron of Uman. By mid-August 1941, the brigade reached the area east of Voznesensk and took Chersson on the Dnieper on August 19, 1941.

Source: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /LSSAH.htm

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