Number of German tank destroyers Summer '44?

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Number of German tank destroyers Summer '44?

Postby paspartoo » 02 May 2012 15:38

I've asked this before but maybe I’ll get lucky this time: does anyone know in June or July 1944 in the Eastern front how many tank destroyers Pak/Sfl and Nashorn were available for the German side? It has been mentioned in another post that the Germans had ~ 1,500 tanks and ~ 1,500 Stug. I want the number for tank destroyers.
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Re: Number of German tank destroyers Summer '44?

Postby Kingfish » 02 May 2012 16:34

You might find this useful:

http://sturmvogel.orbat.com/pzjgabt.htm

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Re: Number of German tank destroyers Summer '44?

Postby paspartoo » 02 May 2012 16:52

Thanks but i'd prefer a solid number!
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Re: Number of German tank destroyers Summer '44?

Postby Alanmccoubrey » 02 May 2012 18:53

Try looking at this thread and see if you can get yourself an answer.

http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?t=8113
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Re: Number of German tank destroyers Summer '44?

Postby a.j.m. » 07 May 2012 19:58

I have a data that there were no less than 365 Marders and Nashorns in AG Center on 22.6.44
Also 65 Marders and 21 JgPzIV were in 4,5,7 Pz. divisions (that were transferred to this AG to the beginning of July).
In AG North Ukraine remained 304 sf (probably including Art.sf - Wespe,Hummel,Grille)

30.6.44 HGrNU T311R228.jpg


Unfortunately I have not such detailed info about AG North and AG South Ukraine,but it seems that amount of sf in these two AGs was far less.

I think that there were approximately 700-800 Marders and Nashorns and 400 Art.sf on the whole front.

Also, german satellites (Finland,Hungary,Romania) had around 400 AFVs.

On the whole, amount of axis AFVs in the east before soviet offence can be roughly estimated as 4500.
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Re: Number of German tank destroyers Summer '44?

Postby paspartoo » 08 May 2012 08:38

Thanks for checking. Yes for summer 1944 that would give ~1,500 tanks, ~ 1,500 Stug , ~1,200 SP A/T guns and artillery. A significant number.
Do you by any chance have similar data for Pak/Sfl in summer 1942 and 1943 ?
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Re: Number of German tank destroyers Summer '44?

Postby a.j.m. » 13 May 2012 18:38

hi paspartoo

I have such data on 30 june 43, but it seems not fully correct :
(it is also without forces to the north of Leningrad) -

german tanks - 2584 on hand + 92 in delivery
StuG,StuH,StuPz - 1040+40
Pak sfl - 886+65
Art sfl - 222+90

Amount of Pak sfl seems to me doubtful (too high) here, although it also includes Ferdinands.

According to my accounts for all units there were :

german tanks (incl. StuPz) - 2584 on hand + 166 in delivery
StuG,StuH - 992+29
Ferdinands - 89
Hornisse - 90 (or 45+45 , in 560 & 655 PzJgAbt)
Marders - approximately 580+70
Art sfl - 222+90
captured (Beute) tanks - 91
20th german army (in Finland) - 50 tanks & 20 StuG
Finnish forces - 150 tanks
--------------------------------------
total AFVs : 4870 on hand+355 in delivery

(Half of these AFVs was in AG South - 2410 vehicles.)

In summer 1942 amount of Pak sfl was relatively small - 200 or so.
By the November 1942 it increased to 450-500.

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