Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by GregSingh » 08 Jun 2018 00:53

Hi Oliver,

Yes, my map is from 14-21 April, so a week earlier than yours.
It seems there were some changes among both German and Soviet units. Basically Soviets achieved breakthrough to the West of the area shown on both maps and most Soviets units were diverted there, leaving only 211.RD as an opponent.

Document you attached does not mention any German armor being destroyed. There are literally hundreds of Soviets docs to go through from April in this area. I briefly looked over daily reports for April from 1 Gd.A and they reported several destroyed/burned German self-propelled guns, last one on the 21st of April.

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Gastolli » 08 Jun 2018 08:09

Hello Greg,

hm, well, the date we expect for this action could be wrong of course.

Here's the entry for Oblt. von Steynitz at Volksbund online search:
http://www.volksbund.de/graebersuche/de ... 482fe41906

He's listed as an Feldwebel, but some times Volksbund has the rank wrong.


Here the officers from the (later) Hetzer-Company as per 15.03.1945, still as 2.(schn.)/Pz.Jg.Abt. (mot) 715:

Kp.Chef Oblt. d.R. (RDA 1.5.44) Heinz-Hubert von Steynitz (* 03.11.1906)

Zugf. Lt. d.R. (RDA 1.10.43) Hermann Mueller (* 13.12.1922)

Zugf. Lt. d.R. (RDA 1.4.44) Willi Maidzik (* 08.01.1923)

Gren.Begl.Zug 715 Lt. akt. (RDA 1.4.44) Blenk (* 28.07.1923)
Befehl vom 19.2.45 mit Wirkung vom 1.3.45 von Füs.Btl. 715


The other possibility:
Kompaniechef von Steynitz was degraded and the company was commanded by another officer.

Just another possibility:
Willy Hüttenrauch meant the Hetzer of his Zugführer being hit, not his Company commander's vehicle. Lt. Müller and Lt. Maidzik doesn't turn up on the Volksbund online search, but there could have been changes of course.

So, I would say we have to hope that the "German Dienststelle" can provide Shane with some extra info on when and where Willy Hüttenrauch was wounded. We just have to wait 2 years :-(

Or, let's hope that "German Documents in Russia" will provide some some amazing late documents from the fighting in Silesia :-)

Oliver

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Shane6969 » 09 Jun 2018 10:04

Hi Gents,

I also wrote to the Deutsche Red Cross and they referred me to the Australian Red Cross, who said they will ring me to talk about my request. So now I wait :)

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Shane6969 » 09 Oct 2018 03:21

I received a letter from the Deutsche Dienstelle today about Willy Huettenrauch. They confirmed that he was part of Jagd-Panzer-Kompanie 1715. He was wounded and captured on 18/04/1945. His erkennungsmarke number was: -1622-I.G.Kp.214 (Infanterie-Grenadier-Ersatz-Kompanie-214).

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Shane6969 » 16 Oct 2018 03:52

Does anyone know of any Russian reports of German Hetzers being destroyed in the 715 ID's area on the 18/04/1945 please?

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Gastolli » 07 Aug 2019 19:31

Hi Shane,

do you got any information from the Red Cross meanwhile?

I haven’t seen your entry with the data from Berlin, sorry.

Well, I got new information from Berlin as to the Jagdpanzer-Kompanie 1715, confirming Willi Hüttenrauch being wounded on 18.4.1945 (this you already know). Willi was sent to the Hauptverbandsplatz of 715. Inf.Div. He might got captured later that day or even some days later?

But also Oberleutnant d. Res. von Steynitz was killed that day. At least that was his unit was thinking about his fate! Oblt. d.R. von Steynitz was listed as “verwundet und im Jagdpanzer verbrannt” (wounded and burned inside the Jagdpanzer), while the Unteroffiziere Fuchs, Munz and Pfennig are listed as “im Jagdpanzer verbrannt”. So that in fact was the crew of the company commanders Hetzer, confirming the story of Willi Hüttenrauch.

Maybe von Steynitz was able to leave his Hetzer or was rescued by someone (not from his unit), brought to an Hauptverbandsplatz and later died of his wounds on 28.04.1945 at Deutsch Leuten (which in fact is some 9 Kilometers away from Klein Gorschütz).

As for these villages see:
http://gov.genealogy.net/item/show/object_189044
http://gov.genealogy.net/item/show/LEUTENJN99FV

The Company lost 44 men killed or wounded from 16.04. to 19.04.1945, all at Klein Gorschütz!

So now I wonder what action occurred those days (at least they lost Hetzers on 17./18.4.1945) around Klein Gorschütz?

I will try the Russian documents, but maybe someone will be quicker?

Oliver


Oh, wow, just a sidenote: Willy is listed as "missing" by Volksbund Kriegsgräberfürsorge!
https://www.volksbund.de/graebersuche/d ... 70500a8b40

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by GregSingh » 08 Aug 2019 06:04

So now I wonder what action occurred those days (at least they lost Hetzers on 17./18.4.1945) around Klein Gorschütz?
That would be covered in reports of Soviet 242th rd, 1498th self-propelled artillery regiment and possibly 128th Grd.

Klein Gorschütz / Gorzyczki / Гожычки

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Gastolli » 09 Aug 2019 01:04

Hello Greg,

thank you for help! I spent some time looking at russian files from pamyad.naroda, despite having no knowledge on the Russian language :-)

I saved some documents from 107. Guards Rifle Corps, 161. Rifle-Div., 569. Rifle-Rgt. and some of 1498. SP-Art.Rgt. from the period 15.04. - 20.04.1945.

O.k., I'm able to "read" the typewritten text, not understandig the language, but I can see that Gorschütz is mentioned there and also the German units 75. Infanterie, 68. Infanterie, 715. Infanterie, 16. Panzer.

Files are too many and too big, should I send them to you via wetransfer or else just in case you want to have a look? I expect you to be able to handle this russian docs properly, don't you?

Otherwise I will need more time to research, it's just too difficult for me, unfortunately ...

Oliver

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by GregSingh » 09 Aug 2019 05:48

Just attach links to the post.

Here is a link to a diary of 1498.SP-Art.Rgt.: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=451007553, but it's handwritten not typed.
Pages 133-135 are of interest.
During 16-18 April they admitted to losing several SU-76 during German counterattacks (from 715.ID) near Gorschütz / Klein Gorschütz.
They also claimed several damaged/destroyed German self-propelled guns (самоходные оружие).

Link to a diary of 900 Rifle Regiment / 242 Rifle Div.: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=133215785, also handwritten.
Pages 47-48 cover period of interest and fighting near Klein Gorschütz.
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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Gastolli » 09 Aug 2019 23:11

Hello Greg,

thank you for pointing to SR 900 of 242nd SD.

Well, I did made downloads of jpg-files for several pages from different units of the Sowjet Forces (107th Rifle Corps / 161st Rifle Division and 569th Rifle Regiment / 900th Rifle Regiment now also / 1498th Self-propelled Art.Rgt. plus some Charts). I saved all those pages with the reference of TsAMO, such like this: 18.04.45 - ЦАМО, Фонд 999, Опись 0000001, Дело 0350 - 00000581.jpg

I have no links at hand but would have to had a look again. Several of those links are just single pages, so with nearly 60 pages it will be around 30 links or so?

I can link no images to this thread without uploading them somewhere, damn ...

A friend of mine might find some time to make rough translations via OCR and Googletranslate or so.

This here is a chart from around 1939, showing the Groß Gorschütz / Klein Gorschütz area in good scale (1:25.000):
http://www.deutschefotothek.de/ete?acti ... uX8AnxjSRw**

This map here from 1934 still in polish language (Gorschütz in the upper left corner), but apart from Gorzyce and Gorzyczki here also St. Gorzyce can be seen (Stary Gorzyce i.e. Alt Gorschütz), which sometimes is refered to in the sowjet reports:
http://maps.mapywig.org/m/WIG_maps/seri ... W_1934.jpg

At least the 1498th SP might be the main reason for the losses of Jagdpanzer-Kompanie 1715 on 17./18. April 1945 ...

Oliver

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by GregSingh » 10 Aug 2019 03:07

Here is the corrected link to 1:25000, Groß Gorschütz 6076 map at Deutsche Fotothek:
http://www.deutschefotothek.de/document ... 10001_6076
Polish WIG map is quite good as well.
Both good finds!
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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Shane6969 » 11 Aug 2019 11:03

Hello Gentlemen,

Wow, great information, thank you to you both, it's very much appreciated. Yes, Berlin got back to me. Willy was indeed in the JgPz Komp. 1715 and was wounded and captured on 18/04/1945.
From to the German Red Cross, "According to the report of a fellow repatriate, Willy Hüttenrauch was interned in a Polish work camp. On May 8, 1946 he was transferred from Wesola to Wroclaw where he had to work at a military garage (“Woyskowe Zaklady Motoryzacyjne”) in a former baracks complex. In 1947/48, Willy Hüttenrauch escaped from the camp and returned to Germany".

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Gastolli » 12 Aug 2019 18:43

Hello Shane,

ah, the date of his wounding is equal to the date of his capture, at least according to his papers with the German Red Cross (which should be accurate, of course). Well, maybe ...

If action occured in the forenoon, Willy and several others from the company where send/brought to the Hauptverbandsplatz (main dressing station) of 715. Inf.Div. This is what his unit knew about him.

It could be, of course, that the Hauptverbandsplatz was captured by the sowjet forces later that day!

Sadly, as Willy wasn't in the Sowjet Union there is NO file of him within the German Red Cross (they got copies from the Russian files on the German POW's, also giving date and place of capture etc). But o.k., you can't have everything :-)

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Gastolli » 19 Aug 2019 18:54

Please have a look on the German chart for that very day, 18. April 1945, it's from Heeresgruppe Mitte:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/n ... ect/zoom/4

You have to click the loupe-symbol "View" and than + + + to see this charts to the maximum possible, not just the +-symbol.

Even six days later, April 24th 1945, the frontline seems to be nearly unchanged:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/n ... ect/zoom/4

Reference, TsAMO: Фонд 500 Опись 12470 Дело 68 (Foundation 500 Inventory 12470 Case 68) and Case 70 of course.

Oliver

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Re: Panzerjäger-Abteilung 715 in 1945

Post by Shane6969 » 24 Aug 2019 23:13

Great, thanks Oliver :)

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