East Prussia january 1945

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East Prussia january 1945

Post by FORBIN Yves » 08 Jun 2018 10:18

I don't think we have a topic

With especialy 2 operations :
- Gumbinnen-Insterburg Operation
- Mlawa–Elbing Operation
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostpreußische_Operation

I search number of Soviet armored vehicles by units especialy for 2 Belorussian Front if posible also effectives by Army even for other fronts.

Thank you


A table for Soviet Strength participated also 1st Baltic front in part only 43 th Army with 5 Fus Corps and a tank Bde a part near Memel main part on the Niemen near Tilsit.
- Russian map with all Corps deployed the 13 january 1945, 1st day of the attack
http://armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/maps ... r25_45.jpg

43A have on the Niemen 90, 54 and 103 Fus Corps west to east and close Memel 92 and 19 Fus Corps North to South each wit 3 ID the 92 avec 10 GT Bde Germans have 28 AK with 58 and 95 ID and 607 zbV Division on the on the Curonian Spit / Kurische Nehrung

If one is interested i have all for German Army Group Center
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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by GregSingh » 08 Jun 2018 10:41

Mlawa–Elbing Operation

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If we become increasingly humble about how little we know, we may be more eager to search.

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by FORBIN Yves » 08 Jun 2018 12:43

GregSingh wrote:Mlawa–Elbing Operation

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Mlawa–Elbing Operation.JPG
Good map thanks !

Possible have name for town/cities in English for this 2 maps in attachment ?
Because i search exact area where the 5 GTA is deployed in 2 Bel Front reserve the 12 january and after join the front the 16 in 48 A sector and attack normaly the 17 january according infos i have especialy here :
http://tankfront.ru/ussr/ta/gvta5.html

Thanks
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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by Art » 08 Jun 2018 18:38

5 GTA was deployed around Bransk in Poland in good accordance with the schemes posted above. That's an original situation map for comparison:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=100794945

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by Art » 08 Jun 2018 19:39

From a detailed OOB of the 3 Belorussian Front 13 January 1945 (numbers stand for operational, I guess)

39 Army
28 Guards Tank Brigade - 48 T-34
35 Guards Tank Regiment - 21 IS
76 Guards Tank Regiment - 6 IS, 15 ISU-152
517 Flame Tank Regiment - 21 OT-34
927 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 21 SU-76
735 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 21 SU-76
1197 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 21 SU-76
350 Heavy Guards Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 21 ISU-152
348 Heavy Guards Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 21 ISU-122

5 Army
2 Guards Tank Brigade - 65 T-34
75 Guards Tank Regiment- 21 IS
81 Guards Tank Regiment - 21 IS
253 Engineer Tank Regiment - 20 T-34 (trail)
953 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 20 SU-76
954 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 20 SU-76
958 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 19 SU-76
395 Guards Heavy Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 24 ISU-152
373 Guards Heavy Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 23 ISU-152

28 Army
213 Tank Brigade - 65 T-34
82 Guards Tank Regiment - 21 IS
77 Guards Tank Regiment - 21 IS
148 Engineer Tank Regiment - 21 T-34 (trail)
345 Guards Heavy Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 21 ISU-152
343 Guards Heavy Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 22 ISU-152

2 Guards Army
152 Tank Brigade - 33 T-34, 13 foreign tanks
1402 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 15 SU-76
1490 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 12 SU-76

31 Army
513 Flame Tank Regiment - 5 OT-34
2 Guards Motorcycle Regiment - 10 foreign tanks
959 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 17 SU-76
926 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 21 SU-76
337 Guards Heavy Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - 15 ISU-122

Front Reserve:
1 Tank Corps - 119 T-34, 21 SU-76, 13 Su-85, 21 ISU-122
2 Guards Tank Corps - 187 T-34, 21 SU-76, 21 SU-85
120 Tank Brigade - 64 T-34
43 Guards Tank Brigade - 44 IS, 21 ISU-152

From a 3 BF's war diary (page 250):
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=150401625
which doesn't seem to count organic SP guns in rifle divisions.

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by FORBIN Yves » 09 Jun 2018 10:25

Very good ! thanks for these very interesting infos and confirmation for 5 GTA if you have for 2 Belorussian Front interest me a lot :)

Yes surely all or almost units full
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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by FORBIN Yves » 09 Jun 2018 10:48

Germand strength for Armored units, total of vehicles

PzG GD and 5th Pz are in good conditions same for the 2 Tiger Bns and Stug Bdes little Bn for size.
Sources : especialy from Fire brigades

12 january :

GAC reserves :

PzK GD :
PzG Div GD : 60 Pz V + 4 Pz IV + 26 Stug + 21 Jpz IV : total 111
PzG Div Brandenburg : 21 Jpz IV plus 43 Stug from attached Stug Bde GD : total 64
Heavy Panzer Bn GD former III/ Pz Rgt GD but used with PzG Div GD : 18 Tiger I

18 PzG Div : 34 Stug

Rfts :
24 Pz Div in Rft from Hungary to Rastenburg first elts a KG arrive about 17/01 Div full about 20/01 had left all heavy materials in Hungary receive in
East Prussia : 31 Pz IV + 14 Jpz IV : total 45

3 Panzer Army :
5 Pz Div : 47Pz V + 33 Pz IV + 6 Stug + 32 Jpz IV : total 118
505 Heavy Panzer Bn : 35 Tiger I/II

With Corps :
232 Stug Bde : 29 Stug
277 Stug Bde : 24 Stug

Following after

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by FORBIN Yves » 10 Jun 2018 11:23

German OoB in East Prussia January 1945
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=21613

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by FORBIN Yves » 10 Jun 2018 11:40

4 Army :
1 HG Pz Div : 42 Pz V + 35 Pz IV + 4 Stug : total 81
2 HG PzG Div : 32 Stug

With Corps :
259 Stug Bde : 43 Stug

2 Army :
7 Pz Div : 32 Pz V + 28 Pz IV : total 60
505 Heavy Panzer Bn : 52 Tiger I

With Corps :
209 Stug Bde : 29 Stug
909 Stug Bde : 30 Stug
185 Stug Bde : 28 Stug
249 Stug Bde : 28 Stug
279 Stug Bde : 18 Stug
190 Stug Bde : 29 Stug
904 Stug Bde : 31 Stug
909 Stug Bde : 30 Stug

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by Art » 10 Jun 2018 18:43

Ok, report on personnel and equipment strength of the 5 Guards Tank Army as of 15 January 1945
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=136525254

29 Tank Corps - 11 428 men
10 Tank Corps - 11 351 men
47 Mechanized Brigade - 3545
1 Motorcycle Regiment - 1120
376 Guards SP Regiment - 401
326 Guards SP Regiment - 427
14 Guards Tank Regiment - 414
689 Anti-Tank Regiment - 465
210 Light Artillery Brigade - 1207
76 Guards Rocket Regiment - 717
6 Anti-Aircraft Division - 2171
Total 33 936 men in combat units
Plus 1198 in 21 Engineer Brigade and 1147 in 249 Replacement Battalion. If service units are included the Army had over 40 thousand men. Also information on equipment, in particular the 29 Tank Corps had a pretty mediocre situation with motor vehicles and weapons.

Armored vehicles in the 5 Guards Tank Army from this report and a couple of other documents
29 Tank Corps - 128 T-34, 19 M4A2, 2 Mk-IX Valentines, 42 ISU-152, 25 SU-85, 44 SU-76, 9 SU-57
10 Tank Corps - 107 T-34, 10 M4A2, 42 SU-100, 21 SU-85, 21 SU-76
47 Mechanized Brigade - 35 M4A2
1 Motorcycle Regiment - 10 M4A2, 7 SU-57
376 Guards SP Regiment - 24 ISU-152
326 Guards SP Regiment - 20 ISU-152, 1 IS-2
14 Guards Tank Regiment - 28 IS-2
4 Signal Regiment - 5 T-34
249 Replacement Battalion - 1 SU-85

Total 240 T-34, 74 M4A2, 2 Valentines, 29 IS-2, 66 ISU-152, 20 ISU-122, 42 SU-100, 47 SU-85, 65 SU-76, 16 SU-57.

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by Art » 10 Jun 2018 18:51

And a related info - losses of the 5 GTA 17-31 January 1945:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=113847372
Total 955 men killed, 2786 wounded, 12 sick. Tank and SP guns losses (total/incl. irreparable)
124/68 T-34
38/28 M4A2
3/2 IS-2
15/5 ISU-152
4/0 ISU-122
31/12 SU-100
24/8 SU-85
15/10 SU-76
2/2 SU-57
9/8 armored cars
13/6 armored carriers
Also generally moderate losses of weapons and armored vehicles.

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by FORBIN Yves » 11 Jun 2018 12:05

Art wrote:Ok, report on personnel and equipment strength of the 5 Guards Tank Army as of 15 January 1945
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=136525254

29 Tank Corps - 11 428 men
10 Tank Corps - 11 351 men
47 Mechanized Brigade - 3545
1 Motorcycle Regiment - 1120
376 Guards SP Regiment - 401
326 Guards SP Regiment - 427
14 Guards Tank Regiment - 414
689 Anti-Tank Regiment - 465
210 Light Artillery Brigade - 1207
76 Guards Rocket Regiment - 717
6 Anti-Aircraft Division - 2171
Total 33 936 men in combat units
Plus 1198 in 21 Engineer Brigade and 1147 in 249 Replacement Battalion. If service units are included the Army had over 40 thousand men. Also information on equipment, in particular the 29 Tank Corps had a pretty mediocre situation with motor vehicles and weapons.

Armored vehicles in the 5 Guards Tank Army from this report and a couple of other documents
29 Tank Corps - 128 T-34, 19 M4A2, 2 Mk-IX Valentines, 42 ISU-152, 25 SU-85, 44 SU-76, 9 SU-57
10 Tank Corps - 107 T-34, 10 M4A2, 42 SU-100, 21 SU-85, 21 SU-76
47 Mechanized Brigade - 35 M4A2
1 Motorcycle Regiment - 10 M4A2, 7 SU-57
376 Guards SP Regiment - 24 ISU-152
326 Guards SP Regiment - 20 ISU-152, 1 IS-2
14 Guards Tank Regiment - 28 IS-2
4 Signal Regiment - 5 T-34
249 Replacement Battalion - 1 SU-85

Total 240 T-34, 74 M4A2, 2 Valentines, 29 IS-2, 66 ISU-152, 20 ISU-122, 42 SU-100, 47 SU-85, 65 SU-76, 16 SU-57.
Great but unusual for 10 and 29 Tank Corps do 5 and 4 Su Rgts ! normaly Tank and Mechanized Corps had 3 to maximum surely because these two had few tanks and to compensate.

But powerful 585 tanks and Su for a Tank Army with 2 Corps !

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by Art » 11 Jun 2018 20:43

29 Tank Corps had some SU-76 instead of tanks in tank brigades, total 20 SP guns in addition to one SU-76 regiment (1223rd)

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by FORBIN Yves » 12 Jun 2018 16:04

Ok :)
Please if one have infos about German 10th Cyclist Jäger Brigade and for 401 and 461 Leichte Division sometimes appear curious...

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Re: East Prussia january 1945

Post by Art » 13 Jun 2018 10:46

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=71662
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... hr10-R.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... r401-R.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... nNr461.htm

Divisions No. 401 and 461 were never "light divisions" as far as I know, both were administrative divisions in the German replacement army.

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