Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

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Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by udorudi » 10 Jun 2019 07:05

Some time ago there was an interesting thread about this aspect in the german WWII board "forum-der-wehrmacht".
User have post samples and photos taken from biographies of surgeons or from war diaries.
Sadly the forum mutated to a place of leftist who didn't believe that more than a few doctors do help.
When user began to post more and more photos about medical help the leftist start revolting and the forum staff decided to take censorship.
They deleted the thread completely, horrible times in germany.

But what is your opinion about help of the medical stuff?
Help was rarely supplied or could it be a matter of course?
Have someone also found interesting references about this in NARA rolls or diaries, have also pictures from german soldiers about this aspect?

Thanks
Udo

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Re: Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by udorudi » 10 Jun 2019 07:18

Some more pictures from military hospital in villages on the eastern front

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Re: Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by udorudi » 10 Jun 2019 07:49

Could this medical issue be a large desideratum of the historical research?
It seems to be a large discrepance, the british historican Alexander Hill concludes in his local study:
"In exceptional cases it seems that the local population received treatment from German doctors."
(Alexander Hill, The War behind the Eastern Front. The Soviet Partisan Movement in North-West Russia 1941-1944, London, New York 2005, Page. 99.)
But nearly all of the illustrated division book and surgeons biographies have pictures about the supply. They talk about an often maked medical help for the poor rural population, see photos.

What do you think?

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Re: Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by udorudi » 10 Jun 2019 10:10

Supply at the field, in villages at the so called "Ortskrankenstube" or "Ortslazarett,
Anybody have read something about the attempt of help from the medical stuff in NARA rolls (IVb) ?

Could humanity came across to allow more than help in exceptional case?
What do you think?

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Re: Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by udorudi » 10 Jun 2019 10:16

These are pictures from the medical stuff of the 34. Infanterie division, nearby Wjasma in 1941.
Does it really looks like "in exceptional case"?

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Re: Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by udorudi » 11 Jun 2019 18:50

The so-called "Truppenverbandsplatz", maybe with patients or local stuff.
And a female russian student or doctor treat some german soldier.

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Re: Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by udorudi » 19 Jan 2020 21:35

New year, new reports. Included a home visit by the doctor.
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Re: Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by udorudi » 19 Jan 2020 21:54

Impressive are the diary entries with photos from Dr. Tuerk, medic of the 3th panzer division. In some villages, the people see and understand, that there is an doctor by the troup. So they bring sick people and Dr. Tuerk have to etablish a surgery hour.

444 photos from 1941 inside the book, therefrom 244 in color
Als Sanitätsoffizier im Rußlandfeldzug
Mit der 3. Panzer-Division bis vor Moskaus Tore
https://www.luftfahrtverlag-start.de/b%C3%BCcher/heer/
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Re: Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 20 Jan 2020 07:19

I think I have to get this book!

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Re: Medical supplies for civilians by german front doctors on eastern front 1941-44

Post by Stephan » 14 Feb 2020 18:45

Looking at these photos, I get the impression most treatments are rather superficial. Even the cases where there are several doctors around seems as minor operations... Of course, its fully possible real operations are simply not shown and thus not photographed. But still... Its just superficial skin treatments we do see... Some sprained ankle and some tooth extracting the only visible treatment...
I get sooner the impression some of them photos are made so it would look good, for the newspaper... Especielly these with several doctors around, but no visible advanced surgery... These arent no young lads learning to be fieldmedics, they must be doctors... Making a consylium on a non problem with any field surgeon or perhaps even a nurse in the local sickbay would do alone??

Ps. Im not saying such help to local civilians never happened. Im sure it must have happened.
Im just saying these here photos arent convincing me.

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