11. Armee operatoin in Crimea in late 1941

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Max Payload
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Re: 11. Armee operatoin in Crimea in late 1941

Post by Max Payload » 01 Jul 2019 16:50

Kelvin wrote:
01 Jul 2019 13:42
I would like to ask if Fighting for another important cities with rich natural resouces : Nikopol with Manganese ore and Krivig Rog with Iron ore is included in battle of Dnepropetrovsk in August 1941 ? Thank
I’m not sure that the occupation of Nikopol or Krivoy Rog could be considered in any way part of the Dnepropetrovsk battle.
The Dnepropetrovsk battle was essentially a prolonged bridgehead containment action that was eventually compromised from the Soviet perspective by events further north in the second half of September.
Krivoy Rog is 140km west of Dnepropetrovsk on the Ingulets, and was occupied mid-August, while Nikopol is 110km south of Dnepropetrovsk on the other side of the Dnepr’s great bend (though still on its right bank) and was occupied several days later, all before Mackensen’s forces had even reached Dnepropetrovsk.

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Re: 11. Armee operatoin in Crimea in late 1941

Post by Kelvin » 02 Jul 2019 10:08

Hi, Max, Mackenson 's III Motorized Corps was responsible for capture of Dnepropetrovsk and Nikopol and Krivoy Rog in Aug 1941, They took 33,600 Soviet POW from 13th to 26th August, and on Aug 25, the day that Dnepropetrovsk, so I suppose all POW were taken around Dnepropetrovsk.
However, I don't have same time Frame for 11.Armee and XIV Motorized Corps in Nikolayev and Kherson area in this period.

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Re: 11. Armee operatoin in Crimea in late 1941

Post by Max Payload » 06 Jul 2019 14:57

Jeff Leach wrote:
25 Jun 2019 09:13
11th Army only started crossing the Lower Bug River on the 18th August.
A German situation map of 17 August shows the Italian corps east of the Bug above the confluence of the Bug and the Ingul.
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Re: 11. Armee operatoin in Crimea in late 1941

Post by Max Payload » 06 Jul 2019 15:06

Kelvin wrote:
02 Jul 2019 10:08
Mackenson 's III Motorized Corps was responsible for capture of Dnepropetrovsk and Nikopol and Krivoy Rog in Aug 1941,
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However, I don't have same time Frame for 11.Armee and XIV Motorized Corps in Nikolayev and Kherson area in this period.
Krivoy Rog and Nikopol were taken by Wietersheim’s corps. Mackensen was further north advancing southeast towards Dnepropetrovsk.
German situation map shows SSAH astride the Nikolaev - Snihurivka railway between the Ingul and Ingulets at Pervomayske just 60km north of Kherson on 17 August and 13 Pz Div (also from Kempf’s corps) east of Nikolaev.

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Re: 11. Armee operatoin in Crimea in late 1941

Post by Kelvin » 08 Jul 2019 03:51

Hi, Max, thank for your data.

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