Bessarabian Campaign of June 1941

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Re: Bessarabian Campaign of June 1941

Post by Jeff Leach » 06 Aug 2021 12:37

Kelvin wrote:
05 Aug 2021 05:37

Hi, Art, in accordance with your link, just for XXX Armeekorps, 11. Armee performance was much more inferior to other Armies like 6. Armee and Pz.Gp 1.
Your logic is a fault here. You can say, "The A.O.K. 11 took fewer prisoners than either A.O.K. 6 or Pz.Grp. 1." What you said seems to say in the quote is that an army's performance is judged by the number of prisoners taken.

A.O.K. 11 performed its missions competently. I don't remember any rebuke given it for slowness in carrying out its orders. Being an all infantry army, it didn't have the speed to form large pockets of the enemy. The army missed out on both the Kiev and Uman encirclements and that is why its number of prisoners taken is lower than other armies.

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Re: Bessarabian Campaign of June 1941

Post by Kelvin » 09 Aug 2021 06:35

Jeff Leach wrote:
06 Aug 2021 12:37
Kelvin wrote:
05 Aug 2021 05:37

Hi, Art, in accordance with your link, just for XXX Armeekorps, 11. Armee performance was much more inferior to other Armies like 6. Armee and Pz.Gp 1.
Your logic is a fault here. You can say, "The A.O.K. 11 took fewer prisoners than either A.O.K. 6 or Pz.Grp. 1." What you said seems to say in the quote is that an army's performance is judged by the number of prisoners taken.

A.O.K. 11 performed its missions competently. I don't remember any rebuke given it for slowness in carrying out its orders. Being an all infantry army, it didn't have the speed to form large pockets of the enemy. The army missed out on both the Kiev and Uman encirclements and that is why its number of prisoners taken is lower than other armies.
Hi, Jeff, thank for your reply. Perhaps Manstein took command in Sept 1941, 11.Armee performed better, like took part in kassel around Tokmak -Melitopol-Berdyansk-Mariupol in Oct 41 then invasion of Crimea next and took Simferopol and Yalta and began a seige on Sevastopol, And no need to say his performance next year.

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Re: Bessarabian Campaign of June 1941

Post by Kelvin » 09 Aug 2021 06:38

Art wrote:
25 Jun 2019 10:15
Trophies of the XXX Army Corps:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/5
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/5
The numbers are not particularly impressive indeed.
Hi, Art, may I ask if any file like that but for trophies of LIV armeekorps of 11.Armee in the same time frame ? Thank

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Re: Bessarabian Campaign of June 1941

Post by Art » 10 Aug 2021 10:11

I don't know. There are people here who studied documents of the AOK 11 and subordinate units, probably they can answer.

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Re: Bessarabian Campaign of June 1941

Post by Kelvin » 10 Aug 2021 10:31

Art wrote:
10 Aug 2021 10:11
I don't know. There are people here who studied documents of the AOK 11 and subordinate units, probably they can answer.
Hello, Art, that's OK. Thank

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