Hi,
I was looking for info of the following units that were (supposedly) under IX.SS-Gebs-Korps in the Siege of Budapest.
I don't own Nevenkin's new book Fortress Budapest, so I don't know if the info below is rigth or wrong. I appreciate any help.
SS-Artillery Regiment 3 "Skull" (not part of the Totenkopf Division) [I never heard or found anything related to this.]
SS heavy Artilerie btl 201 (part of the 14.SS Division "Galizien") [It was supposedly reforming and training far from Budapest]
Parts of the 357 Artillery Regiment [357th VGD was fighting many kilometers north of Budapest, in the 7th Guards Army sector, on the very left flank of LVII PzK]
SS Mountain Artillery Regiment 509
SS Flak Battalion 509
SS Military Police Troop 509
Field Gendarmerie Force 26
AT btl 9
Part of the MG-Bataillon "Mark"
Stug Brigade 1180 as an infantry alarm unit.
Grenadier Regiment 653, as a number of alarm companies of the Div FHH and 13th PzD (drivers, runners, cooks, etc.) grouped as infantry
German troops under IX SS Mountain Corps Budapest 1945
Re: German troops under IX SS Mountain Corps Budapest 1945
It seems that Field Gendarmerie Force 26, SS-Artillery Regiment 3 "Skull", SS Flak Battalion 509 and (SS) AT btl 9 were only alarm units acting as infantry.
SS Mountain Artillery Regiment 509 had 9x 7.5cm Mountain guns, 6x 10.5cm Mountain guns 4x 15cm sFH 3x 10cm K18. Some sources say only 9 guns were in Budapest
SS Mountain Artillery Regiment 509 had 9x 7.5cm Mountain guns, 6x 10.5cm Mountain guns 4x 15cm sFH 3x 10cm K18. Some sources say only 9 guns were in Budapest
Re: German troops under IX SS Mountain Corps Budapest 1945
Buenas Dias!
Units called SS-Artillery Regiment 3 "Skull" and SS heavy Artillerie btl. 201 (as part of the 14. SS Div.) did not exist. Is Nevenkin's book really the source?
SS-Pz. Art. Rgt. 3 was part of the 3. SS-Pz. Div. "Totenkopf", which fought outside the encirclement of Budapest in January 1945 (relieve operations "Konrad" 1, 2 and 3). I don't know of any other SS artillery regiment with no. 3.
The only known artillery unit of the 14. W. Gren. Div. d. SS (galizische Nr. 1) was W. Art. Rgt. d. SS 14. During the Budapest siege this division was training in Slovakia.
SS Mountain Artillery Regiment 509 (SS-Geb. Art. Rgt. 509) was part of the Sondertruppen des RF-SS. In reality it was the renamed artillery regiment of the 13. W. Geb. Div. d. SS "Handschar". Already in early November 1944 the no. 509 had already changed back again to 13 (thus W. Geb. Art. Rgt. d. SS 13). This regiment always stayed under the control of the "Handschar" Division (although some of its Abt. were temporarily lent to other divisions) and was never in Budapest.
SS Flak Abt. 509 was also part of the Sondertruppen des RF-SS and was the renamed SS-Flak Abt. 13 (also from the "Handschar" Division. It was renamed again to SS-Flak Abt. 13 in November. It was never in Budapest.
SS Military Police Troop 509 (SS-Fg. Trupp with no. 109 or 509) ended up in the besieged Budapest and was annihilated there.
According to BA-MA N756/89a (Vopersal Archive, Freiburg) there may have been the following units as part of IX. W. Geb. AK. d. SS (kroat.), but it is not known to me whether they ended up the encircled Budapest:
Kraftfahr. Kp. 109
Kraftfahrzeug Instandsetzungs Zug 109
Feldpostamt 109
s. SS-Beob. Bttr. 509
Kr. Kw. Zug 509
Of the SS-Geb. Na. Abt. 109 probably only the staff, the Funk Kp. and the Versorgungs-Staffel came to Budapest and were destroyed there. The remaining companies stayed outside the encirclement and were later used to build the signals unit of the 37. SS-Kav. Div.
Of the other (Wehrmacht) units you mentionned I don't know enough to comment.
And not to forget the most important "German" SS units in this corps during the siege: 8. SS-Kav. Div. "Florian Geyer" and 22. SS-Frw. Kav. Div.
Best regards,
Frans
Units called SS-Artillery Regiment 3 "Skull" and SS heavy Artillerie btl. 201 (as part of the 14. SS Div.) did not exist. Is Nevenkin's book really the source?
SS-Pz. Art. Rgt. 3 was part of the 3. SS-Pz. Div. "Totenkopf", which fought outside the encirclement of Budapest in January 1945 (relieve operations "Konrad" 1, 2 and 3). I don't know of any other SS artillery regiment with no. 3.
The only known artillery unit of the 14. W. Gren. Div. d. SS (galizische Nr. 1) was W. Art. Rgt. d. SS 14. During the Budapest siege this division was training in Slovakia.
SS Mountain Artillery Regiment 509 (SS-Geb. Art. Rgt. 509) was part of the Sondertruppen des RF-SS. In reality it was the renamed artillery regiment of the 13. W. Geb. Div. d. SS "Handschar". Already in early November 1944 the no. 509 had already changed back again to 13 (thus W. Geb. Art. Rgt. d. SS 13). This regiment always stayed under the control of the "Handschar" Division (although some of its Abt. were temporarily lent to other divisions) and was never in Budapest.
SS Flak Abt. 509 was also part of the Sondertruppen des RF-SS and was the renamed SS-Flak Abt. 13 (also from the "Handschar" Division. It was renamed again to SS-Flak Abt. 13 in November. It was never in Budapest.
SS Military Police Troop 509 (SS-Fg. Trupp with no. 109 or 509) ended up in the besieged Budapest and was annihilated there.
According to BA-MA N756/89a (Vopersal Archive, Freiburg) there may have been the following units as part of IX. W. Geb. AK. d. SS (kroat.), but it is not known to me whether they ended up the encircled Budapest:
Kraftfahr. Kp. 109
Kraftfahrzeug Instandsetzungs Zug 109
Feldpostamt 109
s. SS-Beob. Bttr. 509
Kr. Kw. Zug 509
Of the SS-Geb. Na. Abt. 109 probably only the staff, the Funk Kp. and the Versorgungs-Staffel came to Budapest and were destroyed there. The remaining companies stayed outside the encirclement and were later used to build the signals unit of the 37. SS-Kav. Div.
Of the other (Wehrmacht) units you mentionned I don't know enough to comment.
And not to forget the most important "German" SS units in this corps during the siege: 8. SS-Kav. Div. "Florian Geyer" and 22. SS-Frw. Kav. Div.
Best regards,
Frans
Re: German troops under IX SS Mountain Corps Budapest 1945
"Skull" is a literal translation of "Totenkopf" IMO. So the regiment "Skull" is the artillery regiment of the SS Totenkopf division. I doubt that it had any elements in Budapest.
Re: German troops under IX SS Mountain Corps Budapest 1945
According to Nevenkin's "Fortress Budapest" which contains very detail of OOB of both Soviet and German/Hungary units fought in Budapest, there is no mention about any units of SS Totenkopf division
Re: German troops under IX SS Mountain Corps Budapest 1945
Thanks all for your information.
The units I mentioned were not in Nevenkin's book. That info came from older posts from internet sites and some from 'claimed research' by other posters.
I asked because I found out nothing about them and a lot of them seem to me very unlikely when I posted.
In that days I've readed Nevenkin's oob and paired with all your information leave no doubt: only the SS-Fg. Trupp with no. 109 or 509 was there.
However It's still possible that the following (or even part of them) could be there as pure alarm/ad-hoc infantry forces, since even Nevenkin stated there were about 2000 more german troops unidentified.
Field Gendarmerie Force 26.
AT btl 9. (likely as pure infantry formation)
Part of the MG-Bataillon "Mark."
Stug Brigade 1180 as an infantry alarm unit.
Grenadier Regiment 653, as a number of alarm companies of the Div FHH and 13th PzD (drivers, runners, cooks, etc.) grouped as infantry.
The units I mentioned were not in Nevenkin's book. That info came from older posts from internet sites and some from 'claimed research' by other posters.
I asked because I found out nothing about them and a lot of them seem to me very unlikely when I posted.
In that days I've readed Nevenkin's oob and paired with all your information leave no doubt: only the SS-Fg. Trupp with no. 109 or 509 was there.
However It's still possible that the following (or even part of them) could be there as pure alarm/ad-hoc infantry forces, since even Nevenkin stated there were about 2000 more german troops unidentified.
Field Gendarmerie Force 26.
AT btl 9. (likely as pure infantry formation)
Part of the MG-Bataillon "Mark."
Stug Brigade 1180 as an infantry alarm unit.
Grenadier Regiment 653, as a number of alarm companies of the Div FHH and 13th PzD (drivers, runners, cooks, etc.) grouped as infantry.