I am sorry for delay
First of all I want to clear the question with 5 gA & 5 gTA:
EugE wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 15:28
You do not take into account the 5 g.A and 5 g.TA armies, in vain, they were battered but quite combat-ready.
stg 44 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 16:35
I very much did, they were smashed and would locked in with 5th SS and 17th panzer division and III PC.
* Battered and
combat ready aren't really
synonymous.
5 g.TA 42 901 manpower, Guns 324, mortars 439(before get into battle).
The common Human losses during July 12 were 3908, from them KIA & MIA 1827.
The common Human losses during the month of July were 10545, from them KIA 2780, WIA 6465, MIA 1079.
5 g.Army 97 865 manpower, Guns 708(64 from them are AA Guns), mortars 1145(before get into battle).
The common Human losses during the month of July were 23784, from them KIA 4888, WIA 16981, MIA 1070.
The 5 g.Army has participated in fights from July 11, continue the counteroffensive in August Army has only around 6000 manpower replacements.
* I meant that Armies had had losses but not loose the combat readiness.
THE OTHER SOVIET FORCES
Just to make sure their position had plenty of depth, the Soviets also had the 27th, 47th and 53rd Armies moving to better positions in case of a breakthrough. The 27th Army, consisting of six divisions and a tank brigade, started moving west on the 6th, having originally been designated for operations on the north side of the Kursk salient. It had completed a march to Maloarkhangelsk when it received orders on the 9th to move to the Kursk region and occupy defenses in the Kursk Fortified Region. Also there was the 4 g.Tank Corps, which was originally around Staraya Veduga (well east of Kursk), and had moved north through the 27th Army positions and by the end of the 9th was in the Maloarkhangelsk area. The 4 g.TC then moved south to Kursk and on 11 July, was located in the area between Oboyan and Kursk. Meanwhile the 27th Army, following a similar route, would arrive at Kursk on the 14th.
The 47th Army, with six divisions, which was located behind the Southwestern Front in the area of Olkhovatka, Krivonosovka and Kamenka, began moving the night of 8 July to the northwest and by the 14/15th of July was concentrating in the area of Korocha. The 3 g.MC began moving at 14:00 on 10 July and also ended up concentrating around Korocha with the 47th Army.
Between the 5th Guards Army and the 27th Army was the 53rd Army of seven divisions, which was occupying the Steppe Front’s defensive line along the Kshen River. On the morning of the 9th it was ordered to advance to the Front defensive line along the Seim River with three divisions. By 23:00 on the 12th of July it had occupied the line along the Seim River from Nechayevo to Bukino. This was a line of about 40 kilometers in length. It was supported by the 1 Mechanized Corps, which moved from its position around Nizhnedevitsk (well east of Kursk) at 09:00 on 7 July, moved through the 53rd Army’s positions and then south, where it held on the Seim River. This was a significant force now located within 40 kilometers of the current front line.
Effectively the Soviets had another line of forces forming, consisting of three more armies, each supported by a tank or mechanized corps, with the 27th Army north of Oboyan covering Kursk; the 53rd Army covering the Seim River behind Prokhorovka; and the 47th Army covering Korocha. In light of the 5 g.Army bringing up its division’s strengths by hundreds of men in the days just before battle, and its shortfalls in transports and sometimes small arms, the state of these units would not be expected to be any better.
The 4 g.Army had also started unloading in the region of Kastornoye, due east of Kursk, around the 12th, adding a potential reserve behind this newly forming echelon. Furhtermore, the Soviets had other forces available, including the 3, 5 and 7 g.Cavalry Corps in the area behind the Southwestern Front.
27th Army - 54 116 manpower. Guns 293 + 290 AT, mortars 847.
4 g.TC 142 Т-34 , 70 Mk III, 1 Т-70. Staff 10259. 1451 Sfl.AR. 16 SU-122. 93 TBr 28 Т-34 & 21 Т-70, 39 TR 32 Т-34 & 7 Т-70.
47th Army - 68 750 manpower. Guns 655, mortars 1152.
3 g.MC 164 Т-34, 49 Т-70.
53rd Army - 91 195 manpower.
34 TR 22 Mk II "Matilda", 17 Mk III "Valentine",
35TR 7 Mk II "Matilda", 32 Mk III "Valentine",
1 MC 166 Т-34 ,47 Т-70. Manpower 14 291.
61 g. TR. 21 КV 1S
148 TR. 37 T 34, 6 T 70, 1 Т 60.
1548 Sfl.AR. 1 КV 1S, 12 SU-152.
2 MC 131 Т-34, 49 Т-70. - 14.07.43 send to Brjanskiy Front included into 3 g.TA
5 MC 1 Т-34, 81 Mk II "Matilda", 138 Mk III "Valentine", - 12.07.43 send to West Front.
4th g.Army - 65 566 manpower.
3 g.TC. - Т-34 130, Т-70 63. 1436 Sfl.AR. 8 SU-76, 12 SU-122.
stg 44 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 16:39
EugE wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 15:28
stg 44 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 23:33
What date? And just because they were assigned doesn't mean they were present or able to fight during Citadel. Glantz does not mention they were available during the fighting and he has extensive Orbats for Citadel as well as discussion about Soviet reserves of the Steppe Front.
Russian wikipedia says only the 27th, 47th, and 53rd were part of Steppe Front in July during Citadel:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1 ... 0%BD%D1%82
Those other armies you list only showed up in August or September.
Seriously? Russian Wikipedia is your source
Considering you haven't provided a link to source any of your claims yet, you don't have any place to complain.
Steppe reserve District - operations record book.
TsAMO F 240.
EugE wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 15:28
stg 44 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 23:33
1.Source? 2.And what units did it have in June?
1.TsAMO 14A, 116, 1, pg. 117.
2.
1 MC, 2 MC, 3 g.MC, 3 g.TC, 4 g.TC, 10 TC, 18 TC, independent tbr. and tank regiment + 5 g.TA.
stg 44 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 16:35
5th GTA was already committed to battle as were several of those other units assigned in June, so by
July 15th they weren't in Steppe Front as a reserve.
(Why July 15?
)
Also I fast look into Steppe reserve District - operations record book and found next:
2 MC has been into SF possession until July 14, from 14 it began to move to the Brjanskiy Front where was included into 3 g.TA
5 MC has been into SF possession until July 12, from 12 it began to move to the West Front.
EugE wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 15:28
stg 44 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 16:35
You have a source or link you can share that shows what you mean?
NARA T314 R (in one of the follow) 720/722/727.
stg 44 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 16:35
Got a screen shot since most of us don't have access to said roll?
stg 44 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 16:35
the 5th SS division which was larger than a traditional Heer panzergrenadier division, so quite a bit more powerful and able to hold a longer front while also being fresh and full strength.
EugE wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 15:28
You wishful thinking? Check please condition of the XXIV PzK - you will be surprised.
Look for it and you will find it...