Soviet tank/manpower casualties in Dubno-Brody-Lutsk tank battle

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Soviet tank/manpower casualties in Dubno-Brody-Lutsk tank battle

Post by Kelvin » 04 Aug 2021 12:15

Hello, anyone have tank kill claimed by individual German panzer division in this Dubno-Brody-Lutsk tank battle in june 1941 or loss from Soviet accounts, I check AHF have several post on that battle, but not so clear in hard data, anyone have some data on that ? Thank

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Post by Art » 04 Aug 2021 17:05

Claims of the Army Group South as quoted in the FHO report:
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1st Panzer Group claimed 10,872 POWs and 1655 tanks and destroyed or captured by that moment (5 July). Detailed breakdown by corps and divisions is not available, the war diary only provides some partial data.
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Post by Kelvin » 05 Aug 2021 05:12

Art wrote:
04 Aug 2021 17:05
Claims of the Army Group South as quoted in the FHO report:
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1st Panzer Group claimed 10,872 POWs and 1655 tanks and destroyed or captured by that moment (5 July). Detailed breakdown by corps and divisions is not available, the war diary only provides some partial data.
Hello, Art, thank so much for your data, very helpful. :D

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Re: Soviet tank/manpower casualties in Dubno-Brody-Lutsk tank battle

Post by TheMarcksPlan » 15 Aug 2021 12:47

Art wrote:
04 Aug 2021 17:05
Claims of the Army Group South as quoted in the FHO report:
01174.jpg
1st Panzer Group claimed 10,872 POWs and 1655 tanks and destroyed or captured by that moment (5 July). Detailed breakdown by corps and divisions is not available, the war diary only provides some partial data.
Can you give a NARA cite or this from another source?
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Re: Soviet tank/manpower casualties in Dubno-Brody-Lutsk tank battle

Post by Kelvin » 15 Aug 2021 13:25

Hello. Art, the direct result of this tank battle were complete destruction of 40th and 43rd Tank Divisions, as I don't see it in later OOB ? Correct ? Thank

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Post by Art » 15 Aug 2021 15:44

TheMarcksPlan wrote:
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Can you give a NARA cite or this from another source?
NARA T311 R260 frame 1168. It can be found online actually
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Post by Art » 15 Aug 2021 15:56

In August 1941 HQ and personnel of the 40 Tank Division were ordered to Kotelnikovo (were they formed 45 and 47 Tank Brigade), HQ and personnel of the 43 Tank Division to Zmiyev (where they formed 10 Tank Brigade). All equipment and materials were given to other units of the SWF. Until that moment both divisions were in the 5 Army in the region north of Kiev.

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Post by TheMarcksPlan » 16 Aug 2021 02:12

Art wrote:
15 Aug 2021 15:44
TheMarcksPlan wrote:
15 Aug 2021 12:47
Can you give a NARA cite or this from another source?
NARA T311 R260 frame 1168. It can be found online actually
http://www.maparchive.ru/images/phocaga ... _01174.jpg
Thanks!
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Re: Soviet tank/manpower casualties in Dubno-Brody-Lutsk tank battle

Post by Kelvin » 16 Aug 2021 04:09

Art wrote:
15 Aug 2021 15:56
In August 1941 HQ and personnel of the 40 Tank Division were ordered to Kotelnikovo (were they formed 45 and 47 Tank Brigade), HQ and personnel of the 43 Tank Division to Zmiyev (where they formed 10 Tank Brigade). All equipment and materials were given to other units of the SWF. Until that moment both divisions were in the 5 Army in the region north of Kiev.
Hello, Art, thank for your reply.

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Re: Soviet tank/manpower casualties in Dubno-Brody-Lutsk tank battle

Post by Yuri » 21 Aug 2021 14:07

Kelvin wrote:
16 Aug 2021 04:09
Art wrote:
15 Aug 2021 15:56
In August 1941 HQ and personnel of the 40 Tank Division were ordered to Kotelnikovo (were they formed 45 and 47 Tank Brigade), HQ and personnel of the 43 Tank Division to Zmiyev (where they formed 10 Tank Brigade). All equipment and materials were given to other units of the SWF. Until that moment both divisions were in the 5 Army in the region north of Kiev.
Hello, Art, thank for your reply.
Vasily Arkhipov.
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Several Soviet participants of the Battle for Dubno in June 1941 (in a broader sense, this is the fighting in the area of Lutsk-Rovno) wrote good memoirs. Vasily Arkhipov, the commander of the 43rd reconnaissance battalion of the 43rd Tank Division, wrote in detail and quite truthfully, for example. Arkhipov already had the title Hero of the Soviet Union for his participation in the battles against the White-Finns in January-March 1940.
His memoirs are useful for those who are interested in the processes of transformation and development of the armored forces of the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War. In particular, it is shown very well in Arkhipov's memoirs (when looking, so to speak, "from below") how the process of converting tank divisions into tank brigades, the creation of tank and mechanized corps and tank armies took place.
Vasily Arkhipov participated in the Great Patriotic War from June 22, 1941 to May 9, 1945, for example, in 1941 he defended Poltava and Kharkov, then in the defense of Voronezh, Stalingrad as the commander of the 53rd Tank brigade.
In June-July 1943, he studied at the General Staff Academy and therefore did not take personal part in the defensive period of the Battle of Kursk. Since August 1943, again at the front, in the battles for the liberation of Poltava in September 1943, Arkhipov's brigade captured the headquarters (with all the documentation) of the 111th motorized Infantry Regiment of the 11th German Tank Division.
In November 1943, in the area of Fastov (south-west of Kiev), Arkhipov's brigade staged an ambush, which hit a reconnaissance battalion and the 146th motorized infantry regiment of the 25th German Tank Division. The documents of the 25th Division, including the formation of this division in Norway and France, fell into the hands of the Russians. This incident with the 25th Panzer Division is described in the memoirs of Colonel-General Guderian. The documents of the 11th and 25th tank divisions, which were captured by the Arkhipov brigade, can now be seen on the TSAMO website.
Having passed the way from Dubno to Stalingrad and back, Vasily Arkhipov returned to Dubno in the spring of 1944.
An IS-2 tank is installed in Dubno in memory of the battles of 1941 and 1944.
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The inscription: "To the Defenders-liberators".

In July 1944, Arkhipov's brigade ambushed the Tigr II (the Royal Tigers) on the Vistula River. One of the captured Royal Tigers is now in the tank museum in Kubinka.

In 1944, Arkhipov was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union for the second time. He finished the war with the rank of colonel. Using the example of Arkhipov's biography, you can understand why in 1941 the Red Army lost all the battles and also why the European armies led by the German Wehrmacht had no chance to win the war despite all their victories in 1941. Vasily Arkhipov is my countryman, was born, spent his childhood and youth in the Urals.
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Re: Soviet tank/manpower casualties in Dubno-Brody-Lutsk tank battle

Post by Yuri » 21 Aug 2021 14:12

01_Tigr II(Slava Kapitanu Korobovu).jpg
"Glory to Captain Korobov"
02_Tigr II(Zakhvachen 13-8-44 3 b-n 53 Tank Brig).jpg
Captured 13-8-44 3rd Battalion of the 53rd Tank Brigade
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Captured 13-8-44 3rd Battalion of the 53rd Tank Brigade Arkhipov 6th Tank Corps
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Re: Soviet tank/manpower casualties in Dubno-Brody-Lutsk tank battle

Post by Dann Falk » 21 Aug 2021 21:23

Some related information. This is from my unfinished (but soon to be published) second book "The 7th Guards Army from 1943 -1945" page 481.

With the surrender of Germany, the table below shows the massive number of Tanks and SUs the Red Army had on hand to continue the war if it had been necessary. Soviet Tank and SU Totals at the End of the War – 1945

Tanks Number
Heavy Tanks 5,300
Medium Tanks 11,000
Light Tanks 8,800
Total Tanks 25,100

SUs Number
Heavy SUs 2,700
Medium SUs 1,900
Light SUs 5,400
Total SUs 10,000
Grand Total 35,100

Data From - Sharp, Charles C, Soviet Order of Battle in World War II, Volume III, Red Storm, Published by George F. Nafziger, 1995, p 98.

This illustrates the huge number of AFVs the Soviets had on hand, despite all the losses.

Hope this helps.

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