Rare Soviet Artillery at Kursk

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Rare Soviet Artillery at Kursk

Post by Indragnir » 28 Oct 2022 08:55

Hello,

I have read small quotes from the book by Kolomiets M., Svirin M. - Kursk Salient 1998 regarding that the Soviets used two rare artillery guns in the battle of Kursk:
152mm BR-2 guns and 107mm M-60 guns (this 1 regiment? under the Central Front).
I have looked at the book but it seems it has not been translated.

Can anyone shed some light on the use of those guns in Kursk (armies/front/number of units).

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Rare Soviet Artillery at Kursk

Post by Art » 29 Oct 2022 07:15

In early July 1943 the Central Front had no 152-mm guns and had only 5 107-mm guns belonging to the 642 Cannon Artillery Regiment. The type of these guns is not specified but it seems likely that these were mod. 1910/30 guns. See report on order of battle and numerical strength of the Central Front as of 5 July 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=133320665

V. Zamulin doesn't confirm presence of M-60 in anti-tank units of the Voronezh Front either.

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Re: Rare Soviet Artillery at Kursk

Post by Paul_Atreides » 29 Oct 2022 21:49

Art wrote:
29 Oct 2022 07:15
V. Zamulin doesn't confirm presence of M-60 in anti-tank units of the Voronezh Front either.
«...в 642 пап 5 ад даже накануне Курской битвы числилось только 10 122-мм гаубиц обр. 1937 г. и 5 107-мм пушек обр. 1910/30 гг., хотя ему полагалось 18 152-мм пушек-гаубиц 1937 г.» (Замулин В. Курск-43. Как готовилась битва «титанов». Кн. 2. М., 2019. С. 478)
There is no waste, there are reserves (Slogan of German Army in World Wars)

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Re: Rare Soviet Artillery at Kursk

Post by Indragnir » 02 Nov 2022 23:43

Art wrote:
29 Oct 2022 07:15
In early July 1943 the Central Front had no 152-mm guns and had only 5 107-mm guns belonging to the 642 Cannon Artillery Regiment. The type of these guns is not specified but it seems likely that these were mod. 1910/30 guns. See report on order of battle and numerical strength of the Central Front as of 5 July 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=133320665

V. Zamulin doesn't confirm presence of M-60 in anti-tank units of the Voronezh Front either.
Thank you.

So no 152mm Br-2 in Kursk? (under any front)

BTW Can you provide me more reports on order of battle from other Fronts at Kursk? My skills on russian language are very very basic.

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Re: Rare Soviet Artillery at Kursk

Post by Art » 04 Nov 2022 09:14

There are reports on strength and compostion of the Central Front submitted every 5 days, all tell the same story - no 152-mm guns in its order of battle.
Voronezh Front's reports of the same format are not available, but there are other types of document. See, for example, a report on number and type of artillery pieces in non-divisional units of the Voronezh Front on 20.7.43:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400158
No signs of 152-mm guns here either.
I don't see units which could potentially have such guns (i.e. seprate GHQ artillery battalions) in both Fronts' order of battle.

As for the M-60 guns the story is partly true. 408 Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment arrived to the Voronezh Front from the Moscow Military District in the second half of July 1943. The regiment consisted of 5 batteries, each with 3 107-mm M-60 guns and an anti-tank rifle platoon, total 15 M-60 guns. Lend-lease M-2 halftracks were used a prime-movers for the guns. The regiment took no part in defensive phase (that is operation "Citadel") but participated in operation "Rumyantsev" as a part of the 27 Army/Voronezh Front and in particular suffered heavy losses during a German counterattack at Akhtyrka on 18.8.43.

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Re: Rare Soviet Artillery at Kursk

Post by Indragnir » 08 Nov 2022 15:25

Thank you very much. Very informative.

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