Battle of Vukov klanac

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Battle of Vukov klanac

Post by streljko1 » 26 Dec 2004 03:02

Can anybody help me with this battle? It happened in october 1944, near Neum,between 369 ID and 26 dalmatian division.

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Post by Lt.-Colonel » 26 Dec 2004 03:20

It was part of the operation that was aimed to free Dalmatia. Eight Corps attacked in the beginning of Sep.1944. Twenty-sixth div. from island Vis attacked German posts on islands Hvar, Brač, Korčula, Pelješac and completed their liberation by 15th of Sep.

Rest of VIII Corps (9., 19., 20., divisions) attacked from the continent towards the Adriatic coast and liberated Livno, Aržano and Dubrovnik.

The Battle of Vukov klanac (Wolf canyon) was fought at 23rd of Oct.1944.
Part of 29th Herzegovian div. and complete 26th Dalmatian div. badly mauled 369th div. That formation was severely damadged and to excuase himself in OKH Generaloberst von Loehr lied that there was British marines and fleet involved in the combat.

IMAGINE THAT!

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Post by streljko1 » 26 Dec 2004 13:23

Thanks, according to Nikola Anić, retired colonel in yugoslav army, german casualties were 2000 dead and 1095 captured, partisan casualties were 56 KIA,and 260 WIA,can anbody post german or other reports on this battle?

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Post by Lt.-Colonel » 26 Dec 2004 13:38

I would trust col.N. Anić. Just to add that now he is a dr. of social sci.

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Post by Lt.-Colonel » 26 Dec 2004 16:24

Streljko?

Wasn't that the name of a one of JRM WWII PČs (patrol boats)? :?

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Post by streljko1 » 27 Dec 2004 16:45

Yes, PČ 22 Streljko was patrol boat of JRM.

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Post by G. Trifkovic » 27 Dec 2004 18:34

Ahm,I would not trust Mr.Anic too much-he wrote most,if not all, of the articles concerning NOB in the "Drugi svjetski rat" (you know it,three books with a brownish cover,both "Prosveta" and "Mladost" did the Yugoslav edition-originaly its Dutch)-typical "official history" of those days.

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Post by Lt.-Colonel » 27 Dec 2004 19:03

I have read some of his later works, mostly in professional literature, and he is quite truthful.

Besides, Loehr's lies about the British involvement are only one proof more for the numbers given by mr.Streljko.

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Post by streljko1 » 27 Dec 2004 22:40

I have "Drugi svjetski rat", but also I have read one of mr.Anić new works, about VIII corps of NOVJ, this book is sometimes subjective, but best resource that I find to learn more about WW2 in Dalmatia. I tried to compare partisan with german resources, but they are all forgeting things that are not in their favor.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 27 Dec 2004 23:05

Well I trust anything than primary sources . Are there any that prove the lost ratio of 3095 to 316 . That is a little bit too suspect and sounds more like socialistic "history" development .

Don´t take this wrong , but I wondered whole time where You got these casualitities inspite of this one book .


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Post by streljko1 » 28 Dec 2004 11:52

I am too a bit suspicious because of big diference in casualties, but we must remember where battle took place, according to mr.Anić partisans occupied high ground while 369 ID was caught on the road, and during the battle germans abandoned most of their heavy equipment(trucks, guns and some tanks),after this battle 369 ID could not(even with some croat and german reinforcements) succesfully defend Mostar area. We must remember that in early 1943 369 ID had 12000 soldiers,in may 1945 less than 3000 surendered to the Allies.

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Post by Lt.-Colonel » 28 Dec 2004 19:14

Just to point out that 369. was Croat-German division. I would dare to say that alongside 7th SS Mt.div.369. was the best Axis outfit in the western Balkans, at least it was the only outfit that 7thSS refered to as "combat partner". Crews and some of NCOs were Croat volunteers while COs were Germans.

Streljko, you took my words :D . I was just about to say what you had on the tactical situation.

And we mustn't forget that VIII Dalmatian Corps was NOVJ's elite unit, as well as the rest of IV army..

As far as I remember I made 2-3 tactical situation maps on that battle, but it was long ago. I'll have to make a search.

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Post by Michate » 29 Dec 2004 13:49

So basically you are saying there are no primary sources which give these casualties?

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Post by streljko1 » 29 Dec 2004 15:21

These are taken from official NOVJ report on this battle, and according to that report, germans also lost 12 tanks, 211 vehicles, 60 different guns. In mr.Anić book are 2 pictures of the battlefield,on one is destroyed tank (french or italian type), other shows different german wehicles jammed on small part of road(50-100 meters),mostly trucks,some with mounted AA guns.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 30 Dec 2004 18:23

Well , what went in my mind reflecting the kill ratio of this battle is that the PoWs get killed and so the outstanding ratio seems a little bit more realistic ( after the wars on Balkan in 20th century not so impossible ) .

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