The official AHF WW2 in Eastern Europe quiz thread

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Re: The official AHF WW2 in Eastern Europe quiz thread

Post by GregSingh » 03 Sep 2015 00:16

It was a good one, quite interesting as Sponeck was not involved in the plot at all...

Now next question:
What was the easternmost town/village reached and held by German Army; and which unit achieved that?
German's presence had to be for a couple of days at least, so I'm not talking about reconnaissance missions.

There might be more that one correct answer to this one...
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Post by John Hilly » 03 Sep 2015 14:43

Could the unit in question be 16. ID (mot.) "Windhund"?

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Post by GregSingh » 05 Sep 2015 06:26

Although 16.ID (mot) indeed performed long-range reconnaissance missions towards Astrakhan-Grozny railroad from it's forward bases (which were?) there was another unit which managed to advance East as far as 16.ID (mot).
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Post by Max Payload » 05 Sep 2015 14:26

Maybe if it wasn't in the area east of Elista, it was the advance by First Panzer Army east of Mozdok along the Terek to Stoderovskaya and a little further north to Sernovodskoye. Those localities were certainly a bit further east than Stalingrad or Elista, and I think it was 3 PzD that led that advance.

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Post by GregSingh » 06 Sep 2015 02:12

Correct.
In late August 1942 Kampfgruppe Bodenhausen (which had a mix of 3.Pz and 13.Pz units) was advancing along Terek river and railroad Mozdok - Grozny. It got as far as Nikolaevskaya, which is nearly on the same longitude as Utta (16.ID(mot) forward base - 135km to the East of Elista).

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Post by Max Payload » 08 Sep 2015 07:52

More a correct guess than actual knowledge. I hadn't realised these formations had got that far. Utta is half way to Astrakhan from Elista and Nikolaevskaya is actually east of Grozny (albeit further north). These advances may have been unsustainable, but they were nonetheless impressive achievements and must have caused considerable consternation in Moscow.

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In mid-July 1941 one of the officers in the Soviet 21st Army had seniority of rank (by virtue of his date of commission) over Fedor Kuznetsov, the army commander. Who was he?

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Post by GregSingh » 14 Oct 2015 23:50

Marshal Budyonny?
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Post by Max Payload » 18 Oct 2015 07:44

No, Budyonny was never part of 21st Army's internal command structure. But the person I'm referring to was, like Budyonny, a cavalry man; a very senior cavalry man, just not quite as senior as Budyonny.

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Post by John Hilly » 20 Oct 2015 18:33

Colonel-General Oka Gorodovikov?

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Post by Max Payload » 21 Oct 2015 07:49

Correct. Gorodovikov was the SU's Inspector-General of Cavalry and he led a cavalry corps on the left flank of 21st Army's mid-July offensive across the Dnepr towards Bobruisk. He received his General Polkovnik commission months before FI Kuznetsov.
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Post by John Hilly » 23 Oct 2015 08:03

Thanks!

In the beginning of the Great Patriotic War Stalin's scythe reaps also Generals that aren't in front service.
Name an Senior Instructor who was arrested in the fall 1941.

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Post by Max Payload » 24 Oct 2015 08:55

Senior instructor? Autumn 1941?
How about Maj-Gen GA Armaderov (senior instructor Frunze Academy) arrested 28/11/41. He survived Stalin's death and was released from prison soon afterwards.

Not all military academics during this time were so fortunate.
Maj-Gen SM Mishchenko (instructor Frunze Academy) arrested April '41, sentenced September, executed October.
Komdiv IP Sergeev (instructor General Staff Academy) arrested 30/5/41 and executed.
Maj-Gen AN De-Lazari (Chemical Defence Academy historian) arrested 25/6/41 and executed.
Komdiv AA Talkovsky (Frunze Academy course head) arrested 30/6/41 and executed.
Maj-Gen MI Petrov (Artillery Academy instructor) arrested 30/6/41 and executed.
Maj-Gen IK Pauka (instructor General Staff Academy) arrested 27/7/41 - died in prison.
Lt-Gen FK Arzhenukhin (head of the Air Force Academy) executed 29/10/41.
Maj-Gen FS Burlachko (department head Frunze Academy) arrested 22/11/41 - died in prison.
Maj-Gen AA Glazkov (instructor Frunze Academy) arrested 28/11/41 - died in prison.
Maj-Gen AI Sokolov (former senior instructor Frunze Academy) arrested 29/12/41 - died in prison.
Maj-Gen AG Shirmakher (former senior instructor Frunze Academy) arrested 29/12/41 - died in prison.

This is not an exhaustive list. There was, for example, Maj-Gen FK Kuzmin (department head Frunze Academy) arrested 29/12/41 and Maj-Gen-Gen NI Pliusnin (department head Frunze Academy) arrested 22/11/41 - as prisoners they both survived Stalin's death.

And of course the purge of academics was not confined to the second half of 1941.

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Post by John Hilly » 25 Oct 2015 08:53

Your answer was very impressive indeed.

I was looking after Maj-Gen Sokolov, Aleksandr Iakovlevich, Senior Instructor in Frunze Academy, who died in prison 1948.
I had no idea that Stalin's scythe was so sweeping.

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Post by Max Payload » 28 Oct 2015 08:33

Thanks.
Since we seem to be on a 'name that Soviet general' roll, how about another ranking question.

In 1941 six Soviet Front commanders were, for a time at least, each outranked by one of their subordinate army commanders. One of them was Lieutenant-General Eremenko in July whose Western Front, in the days preceding the formation of Central Front, had Colonel-General FI Kuznetsov's 21st Army under command. Who were the other five Front commanders and in which months of 1941 did these anomalous situations occur.

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Post by John Hilly » 29 Oct 2015 12:45

Well, this is quite wide ranging question of yours!

One example I could remember is Karelian Front commanded by Liutenant-General Frolov, Valerian Aleksandrovich which 7th Army was commanded by Army General Kirill Meretskov (September – November 1941).

It takes time to dig others out...

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