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Re: Nazi-Soviet 1939 joint parade

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 07 Sep 2009, 00:15

A video showing one of German - Russian meetings in Poland in September / October of 1939:

I think that they are just establishing a new German - Russian border, but maybe I'm wrong:


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Re: Nazi-Soviet 1939 joint parade

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 07 Sep 2009, 07:29

Maybe someone can edit the iditioc thread title? I don't see any party formations etc. parading there, so it was a german-soviet parade,,,

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 07 Sep 2009, 14:29

I don't see any party formations etc. parading there, so it was a german-soviet parade
Technically you are correct (but maybe even German-Russian instead of German-Soviet?).

I also don't like when they say that "hitlerowcy" invaded Poland in 1939. "Niemcy" invaded Poland - not "hitlerowcy".

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 07 Sep 2009, 14:39

As the nations were Germany and Sovietunion german-soviet is exactly as it can be.

Hitlerowcy is an agitprop term, invented by stalinistic propaganda...

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 07 Sep 2009, 15:03

Hitlerowcy is an agitprop term, invented by stalinistic propaganda...
I always thought that "hitlerowcy" was invented to distinct "good Germans" from "bad Germans". "Good Germans" were those from the Soviet occupation zone. "Bad" were the Nazis + those from Western occupation zones. That's because all former Nazis escaped to the Western occupation zones and all non-Nazi wanted to live under the Soviet rule. :wink:

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 07 Sep 2009, 15:42

No, it was already brought up in wartime :wink:

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Post by henryk » 07 Sep 2009, 21:25

Jan-Hendrik wrote:Maybe someone can edit the iditioc thread title? I don't see any party formations etc. parading there, so it was a german-soviet parade,,,
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The politically correct term now is Nazi Germany, not Germany, for the country at war in WWII.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 07 Sep 2009, 21:43

Politicall corectness is something for the phariseans :D :D

Not for men with a mind able to think for itself :wink:

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Post by kon » 18 Sep 2009, 00:07

Soviet Union has actually admitted the fact of occupation of east Poland. In 1945 Stalin insisted on transfer to Poland German territories east Oder for indemnification to Poles of the Western Belarus and Ukraine. Poles very quickly, for some years have occupied each German house, each apartment in Pomorze, Prussia, Silesia, Brandenburg.
Also what such Poland? Since 1795 and to 1918 such states at all was not :?

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Post by Marcus » 09 Oct 2009, 19:08

Another YouTube:



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Post by Paul_Atreides » 09 Oct 2009, 22:53

M-m, and where is joint parade?
There is no waste, there are reserves (Slogan of German Army in World Wars)

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Post by aahoo » 10 Oct 2009, 07:32

Paul_Atreides wrote:M-m, and where is joint parade?
M-m, maybe you should watch the video what is posted there..

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Post by Paul_Atreides » 10 Oct 2009, 09:06

aahoo wrote:
Paul_Atreides wrote:M-m, and where is joint parade?
M-m, maybe you should watch the video what is posted there..
I've watched before and what I saw:

1:23 - German lorries with men inside move along street in front of tribune with German and Soviet commanedrs.

1:28 - German half-tracks with 37mm Pak behind.

1:32 - German half-tracks with 37mm Pak move along street in front of tribune.

1:42 - Soviet T-26 tanks move along Brest-Litovsk's street. On the visible side of street local residents walk.

1:54 - Again Soviet tanks move along Brest-Litovsk's street. Local residents welcome them.

2:11 - Same as above, but many more local residents.

So I don't saw the Soviet troops moving in front of tribune.
There is no waste, there are reserves (Slogan of German Army in World Wars)

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Post by Musashi » 10 Oct 2009, 11:00

Paul_Atreides wrote: So I don't saw the Soviet troops moving in front of tribune.
Apparently you don't see what other members see.
Do you need to use infantry during a parade? As the Soviet side had an armoured brigade available, don't the tanks count? A Belarussian historian, V. Beshanov claims there WAS a joint Soviet-German parade in Brest-Litovsk. He must have had interviewed a lot of local people. AFAIK he was born in Brest, so he seems to be a competent guy about it.

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Post by Paul_Atreides » 10 Oct 2009, 12:22

Musashi wrote:As the Soviet side had an armoured brigade available, don't the tanks count?
Ok, where is Soviet tanks moving in front of tribune?
A Belarussian historian, V. Beshanov claims there WAS a joint Soviet-German parade in Brest-Litovsk.
Beshanov is reputed as the prejudiced historian.
There is no waste, there are reserves (Slogan of German Army in World Wars)

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