17th Army and the Crimea '44

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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Art » 20 May 2019 22:12

Order of battle an deployment on 20 April:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/8
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OOB and deployment on 22 April:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/8
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/8

In view of losses of equipment the divisions forms 3 Alarm battalions (total about 2000 men) which are employed as infantry.

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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Art » 20 May 2019 22:15

Losses of vehicles and equipment until 25 April 1944:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/8

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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Yuri » 21 May 2019 10:10

This document shows the total number of guns, their losses during the withdrawal to Sevastopol and rest.
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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Yuri » 21 May 2019 10:31

And here are the General results of the struggle for Crimea and Sevastopol for 9.Flakdiv
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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Yuri » 21 May 2019 11:09

Jan-Hendrik wrote:
27 Nov 2008 15:02
The transports on sea and air way to Sewastopol:

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Transportation to Sevastopol (including personnel) took place until May 6, 1944.
In Fund 500 TsAMO have the documents of the operational Department of HQ 17th Army - the daily reports from October 1943 to May 13, 1944.
I believe that they should appear soon on www.germandocsinrussia.doc.
I read them about fifteen years ago.

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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Yuri » 21 May 2019 11:39

Verluste Nachrichtengerat bei der Raumung der Krim
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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Art » 21 May 2019 12:16

Yuri wrote:
21 May 2019 10:31
And here are the General results of the struggle for Crimea and Sevastopol for 9.Flakdiv
So almost all guns and other equipment were lost. Personnel casualties were apparently proportionally smaller than in the army division but still quite heavy. It seems that large losses of missing and prisoners were not adequately recorded in OKW casualty reports:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130423074 ... 06_MIA.jpg

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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Yuri » 21 May 2019 14:52

Art wrote:
21 May 2019 12:16
So almost all guns and other equipment were lost. Personnel casualties were apparently proportionally smaller than in the army division but still quite heavy. It seems that large losses of missing and prisoners were not adequately recorded in OKW casualty reports:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130423074 ... 06_MIA.jpg
Can add something. Until the end of summer beginning of autumn 1942 in the structure of 1st anti-aircraft corps, then in structure of Stab Krim had FlakReg.18, which was of two FlakAbteilungs (I./14 and I./64) 10.5 cm Geschutz (the protection of Kerch and Sevastopol).
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After reforming the structure of FlakForce the headquarters of FlakReg.18 departed, in meldungs and gliederungs 1st anti-aircraft corps and 9th anti-aircraft division 10.5 cm FlakAbteilungs not mentioned (which is likely to mean obedience directly to Luftflotte 4 or Kriegsmarine).
Or departed from the Crimea before the blockade?

No mention of not one flugabwehrgruppe.
About these flugabwehrgruppe almost always and everywhere is no information.
Perhaps this is due to the fact that flugabwehrgruppe directly subordinated to the flight corps.
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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Art » 21 May 2019 21:23

About 5000 men left after evacuation from Crimea:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/8
Breakdown by units - total about 5000 men present (without attached Heer battalions) compared with 13 000 authorized strength:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/8
Experience report estimates casualties of 9 FD in Crimea beginning from 8 April as about 5400 men, of them only 695 evacuated wounded:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/ru/n ... ect/zoom/8

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Re: 17th Army and the Crimea '44

Post by Yuri » 25 May 2019 11:32

8,8 Flak 36, Kommandant 5./505 Lt. Johan Muhr und FlakArtillerist in Krim
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