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Post by RichTO90 » 12 Jul 2006 14:43

David W wrote:Going back to the Commonwealth forces, what about 54th & 56th Heavy Regiments (R.A) ??


Okay, let's turn British for a while then. :D

Eighth Army Fit Tank State 23 October (WO 201/440):
Shermans/Grants/Crusader II/ Crusader CS/ Crusader III/Stuarts/Valentines/Matildas

1 Armd Div (2 Armd Bde) 92/1/31/16/29/0/0/0 = 169
8 Armd Div (24 Armd Bde) 93/2/31/3/17/0/0/0 = 146
10 Armd Div (8 Armd Bde) 31/57/35/5/12/0/0/0 = 140
9 Armd Bde 36/37/29/8/12/0/0/0 = 122
7 Armd Div (4 Lt Armd Bde, 22 Armd Bde) 0/68/42/5/8/83/0/0 = 206
23 Armd Bde 0/0/0/0/0/0/169/0 = 169
NZ Div Cav 0/0/0/0/0/29/0/0 = 29
9 Aust Div Cav 0/0/15/0/0/4/0/0 = 19
FF Tank Coy 16 Crusader II
Sqn 8H 9 Stuarts
Sqn 6 RTR 14 Grants
21 SAEC 25 Matilda Scorpion
HQ 10 Corps 2 Grants
Fit Reserves 15/13/19/14/11/8/20/5

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Post by RichTO90 » 12 Jul 2006 18:47

RichTO90 wrote:Okay, let's turn British for a while then. :D


A slightly different perspective is given by Tank State – Egypt – 24 October 1942 (also in WO 201/440). This repeats the 23 October report from Eighth Army, but lumps together the Crusader II and Crusader CS, while including more information on unserviceable vehicles, school vehicles and others:

Grant/Sherman/Crusader/Crusader III/Stuart/Valentine/Matilda (Scorpions)

Fit Tanks
HQ 10 Corps – 2 Grants
1 Armd Div – 1/92/47/29/0/0/0 = 169
HQ 7 Armd Div – 7 Crusaders
4 Lt Armd Bde – 14/0/0/0/67/0/0 = 81
22 Armd Bde – 54/0/40/8/16/0/0 = 118
HQ 8 Armd Div – 6 Crusaders
10 Armd Div – 57/31/40/13/0/0/0 = 141
24 Armd Bde – 2/93/28/17/0/0/0 = 140
9 Armd Bde – 37/36/3712/0/0/0 = 122
23 Armd Bde – 169 Valentines
21 SAEC – 25 Matilda (Scorpions)
9 Aust Div Cav – 0/0/15/0/4/0/0 = 19
2 NZ Div Cav – 29 Stuarts
Sqn 8 Huss – 9 Stuarts
Sqn 6 RTR – 12 Grants

Fit with TDR (Tank Delivery Regiment), TD (Tank Delivery) Sqns and OFP (?) – 8/10/16/7/3/15/0
Fit in transit FWD Area – 15/7/17/4/5/5/5
Fit in transit from Base – 7/3/11/9/8/27/0

Training Tanks – 8/0/6/3/7/3/0
Unfit with units – 5/2/11/4/10/14/1
Unfit in Bde Workshops – 13/8/30/0/7/14/0
Unfit in Army Workshops – 18/6/21/6/10/14/1

Under GHQ, 11 RTR – 58 Matilda
Schools – 25/3/26/2/20/12/10

BOWs (Base Ordnance Workshops) and BODs (Base Ordnance Depots)
Under repair and modification – 79/18/163/31/36/66/77
Awaiting repair and modification – 59 (includes 18 w/o engines)/2/192/0/48/31/196
Under preparation for issue – 0/1/4/3/2/3/3

Unaccounted for but not a casualty – 7/0/20/0/11/0/0
Under evacuation from FWD Area – 3/6/1/0/7/5/0

Total ME excluding Cyprus, Ninth and Tenth Army – 426/318/738/148/299/367/375

Note a couple of details and discrepancies:

The Matilda Scorpions were manned partly by crews of 42 and 44 RTR of 1st Army Tank Brigade, but the concept and design as well as the planning and execution of the mechanical mine breaching, was by 21 South African Engineer Company. There were actually only 25 Matilda Scorpion operational, with two in repair and 5 newly converted arriving on 23 October. The rest were with 11 RTR training in the Delta.

I have no idea why there were so many Crusader CS with 1st Armoured Division and 2nd Armoured Brigade. Nor do I have any idea why this report gave the tank strength for HQ 7th and 8th Armoured Division, but not for 1st and 10th?

The total number of Valentines operational with 23rd Armoured Brigade was 169, not 186. I’m not sure where that number comes from, since there were 28 unfit with units and in the brigade workshops?

Does anyone know what an OFP was?

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Post by Brad Hunter » 12 Jul 2006 20:57

RichTO90 wrote:
RichTO90 wrote:Okay, let's turn British for a while then. :D


A slightly different perspective is given by Tank State – Egypt – 24 October 1942 (also in WO 201/440). This repeats the 23 October report from Eighth Army, but lumps together the Crusader II and Crusader CS, while including more information on unserviceable vehicles, school vehicles and others:

Grant/Sherman/Crusader/Crusader III/Stuart/Valentine/Matilda (Scorpions)

Fit Tanks
HQ 10 Corps – 2 Grants
1 Armd Div – 1/92/47/29/0/0/0 = 169
HQ 7 Armd Div – 7 Crusaders
4 Lt Armd Bde – 14/0/0/0/67/0/0 = 81
22 Armd Bde – 54/0/40/8/16/0/0 = 118
HQ 8 Armd Div – 6 Crusaders
10 Armd Div – 57/31/40/13/0/0/0 = 141
24 Armd Bde – 2/93/28/17/0/0/0 = 140
9 Armd Bde – 37/36/3712/0/0/0 = 122
23 Armd Bde – 169 Valentines
21 SAEC – 25 Matilda (Scorpions)
9 Aust Div Cav – 0/0/15/0/4/0/0 = 19
2 NZ Div Cav – 29 Stuarts
Sqn 8 Huss – 9 Stuarts
Sqn 6 RTR – 12 Grants

Fit with TDR (Tank Delivery Regiment), TD (Tank Delivery) Sqns and OFP (?) – 8/10/16/7/3/15/0
Fit in transit FWD Area – 15/7/17/4/5/5/5
Fit in transit from Base – 7/3/11/9/8/27/0

Training Tanks – 8/0/6/3/7/3/0
Unfit with units – 5/2/11/4/10/14/1
Unfit in Bde Workshops – 13/8/30/0/7/14/0
Unfit in Army Workshops – 18/6/21/6/10/14/1

Under GHQ, 11 RTR – 58 Matilda
Schools – 25/3/26/2/20/12/10

BOWs (Base Ordnance Workshops) and BODs (Base Ordnance Depots)
Under repair and modification – 79/18/163/31/36/66/77
Awaiting repair and modification – 59 (includes 18 w/o engines)/2/192/0/48/31/196
Under preparation for issue – 0/1/4/3/2/3/3

Unaccounted for but not a casualty – 7/0/20/0/11/0/0
Under evacuation from FWD Area – 3/6/1/0/7/5/0

Total ME excluding Cyprus, Ninth and Tenth Army – 426/318/738/148/299/367/375

Note a couple of details and discrepancies:

The Matilda Scorpions were manned partly by crews of 42 and 44 RTR of 1st Army Tank Brigade, but the concept and design as well as the planning and execution of the mechanical mine breaching, was by 21 South African Engineer Company. There were actually only 25 Matilda Scorpion operational, with two in repair and 5 newly converted arriving on 23 October. The rest were with 11 RTR training in the Delta.

I have no idea why there were so many Crusader CS with 1st Armoured Division and 2nd Armoured Brigade. Nor do I have any idea why this report gave the tank strength for HQ 7th and 8th Armoured Division, but not for 1st and 10th?

The total number of Valentines operational with 23rd Armoured Brigade was 169, not 186. I’m not sure where that number comes from, since there were 28 unfit with units and in the brigade workshops?

Does anyone know what an OFP was?


Ordnance Field Park

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Post by RichTO90 » 12 Jul 2006 21:13

Brad Hunter wrote:Ordnance Field Park


Du-uh! :cry: I musta suffered a brainfart on that one? :D

Thanks.

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Post by JonS » 12 Jul 2006 21:17

David W wrote:Good logic.

Also ISTR that Spike Milligan was in 54th or 56th Hy, and he was definately in NWA, not 8th Army :D

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Post by RichTO90 » 12 Jul 2006 21:39

JonS wrote:
David W wrote:Good logic.

Also ISTR that Spike Milligan was in 54th or 56th Hy, and he was definately in NWA, not 8th Army :D


Eighth Army did not emply any Heavy Artillery Regiments until 54th Heavy arrived in Italy in January 1944. Spike was in 56th Heavy with First Army in Tunisia and then only later in 1944 did they go to Italy as well. Both regiments came from Home Forces and were never part of Eighth Army in North Africa.

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Post by David W » 12 Jul 2006 22:17

Excellent. That clears that one up.

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Post by RichTO90 » 13 Jul 2006 14:31

RichTO90 wrote:Total BC reported to 26 October:
German - 148 KIA, 495 WIA, 1.057 MIA
Italian - 159 KIA, 424 WIA, 1,372 MIA

In detail:
X AK (i) for 24-26 October - 38 KIA, 130 WIA, 368 MIA
XXI AK (i) - 106 KIA, 253 WIA, 999 MIA (34 PW captured)
15 PzD for 24-26 October - 15 KIA, 35 WIA, 38 Panzer, 2 Pak (Sfl), 3 Pak 5cm lost, 3 s.FH13 (Sfl.), 1 sFH 18, 1 lFH 18, 3 Pak 7.62cm, 26 Panzer damaged (35 PW captured)
21 PzD for 23-25 October - 7 KIA, 20 WIA, 1 PzII, 1 Pak 5cm lost, 3 7.62cm Pak (Sfl.), 2 sFH13 (Sfl), 1 Pak 5cm, 3 PzIII (k), 2 PzIII (l), 2 PzIV (k), 1 PzIV (l) damaged
164. ID for 23-26 October - 80 KIA, 166 WIA, 1,029 MIA
AA 33 - 1 KIA, 5 WIA
Ramcke - 6 WIA

More?


To continue:

Operational Strengths 26 October
Kasta DAK - 5 PzIII (k), 2 PzIII (l), 1 WIA
15 PzD - 8 PzII, 16 PzIII (k), 16 PzIII (l), 1 PzIV (k), 6 PzIV (l), 1 PzBefhl
21 PzD - 17 PzII, 39 PzIII (k), 41 PzIII (l), 4 PzIV (k), 14 PzIV (l), 3 PzBefehl (reports additional losses of 48 KIA, 98 WIA, 1 5cm Pak and 1 PzII)
ARKO Afrika - 1 KIA, 5 WIA
XX AK
Trieste - 34 mediums
Ariete 127 mediums, 2 WIA, 3 StuG damaged
Littorio 60 mediums, 20 lights, 15 KIA, 39 WIA, 5 MIA, 40 ranks lost including damaged, 5 8.8cm guns lost
Total Panzerarmee los to date:
German - 148 KIA, 495 WIA, 1,057 MIA
Italian - 159 KIA, 424 WIA, 1,372 MIA

27 October:
Kasta DAK - 5 PzIII (k), 2 PzIII (l)
15 PzD - 7 PzII, 10 PzIII (k), 10 PzIII (l), 1 PzIV (k), 2 PzIV (l), 1 PzBefhl
21 PzD - 16 PzII, 36 PzII (k), 38 PzIII (l), 4 PzIV (k), 13 PzIV (l), 3 PzBefhl
15 PzD and 164 ID - 13 KIA, 41 WIA, 187 MIA
XX AK
Trieste - 34 mediums
Ariete 128 mediums, 1 WIA
Littorio 44 mediums (1800 26 Oct-1800 27 Oct) - 28 KIA, 41 WIA, 6 MIA, 3 tanks and 5 8.8cm lost
90 ID - 8 KIA, 29 WIA (including NM 28 Oct: 7 KIA, 25 WIA)
AA 580 - 3 WIA

28 Oxtober:
X AK (24-28 Oct) - 93 PW captured
Folgore - 29 KIA, 129 WIA, 350 MIA
Brescia - 21 KIA, 21 WIA, 24 MIA
Pavia - 13 KIA, 37 WIA, 200 MIA
Ramcke - 3 KIA (2 from artillery and 1 from bombs), 1 WIA, 20 PW captured 23-28 Oct
XXI AK (23-28 Oct) - 1,150 MIA, 76 PW captured
DAK - 23 KIA, 79 WIA, 5 MIA, 1 10cm, 1 lFH, 11 Panzer lost, 305 PW captured
Kasta DAK - 5 PzIII (k), 2 PzIII (l)
15 PzD - 3 PzII, 9 PzIII (k), 8 PzIII (l), 1 PzIV (k), 3 PzIV (l), 1 PzBefhl
21 PzD - 6 PzII, 12 PzIII (k), 20 PzIII (l), 4 PzIV (k), 9 PzIV (l), 3 PzBefhl
XX AK - 13 WIA, 32 KIA, 1 MIA
Trieste - 34 mediums
Ariete - 129 mediums
Littorio - 33 mediums, 21 lights
90 ID - 6 WIA
ARKO Afrika - 5 KIA, 1 WIA, 1 MIA
AA 580 - 2 WIA

To date Panzerarmee reports 510 PW captured versus 1,994 German and 1,660 Italian MIA.

More later.

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Post by RichTO90 » 14 Jul 2006 14:20

RichTO90 wrote:More later.


29 October:

X AK - 4 PW captured
XX AK -
Arite - 126 mediums
Trieste 34 mediums
Littorio - 30 mediums, 21 lights
Ariete and Littorio report - 14 KIA, 30 WIA
XXI AK - 6 KIA, 25 WIA
Kasta DAK - 5 PzIII (k), 2 PzIII (l)
15 PzD - 6 PzII, 11 PzIII (k), 15 PzIII (l), 1 PzIV (k), 4 PzIV (l), 1 PzBefhl
21 PzD - 8 PzII, 26 PzIII (k), 20 PzIII (l), 2 PzIV (k), 9 PzIV (l), 3 PzBefhl,
37 KIA, 91 WIA, 4 5cm Pak, 1 sFH, 1 Panzer lost (I should have made clear earlier that casualties and equipment loss for the two Panzer divisions in DAK were usually consolidated)
90 ID - 4 KIA, 11 WIA, 4 PW captured
ARKO Afrika - 2 WIA

30 October:

XX AK - 5 WIA
X AK - 14 WIA
Kasta DAK - 5 PzII (k), 2 PzIII (l) (you start getting the feeling these 7 Panzers were treated like babies :D )
15 PzD - 6 PzII, 11 PzIII (k), 15 PzIII (l), 1 PzIV (k), 4 PzIV (l), 1 PzBefehl
21 PzD - 9 PzII, 28 PzIII (k), 20 PzIII (l), 4 PzIV (k), 11 PzIV (l), 3 PzBefhl
10 KIA, 55 WIA
XXI AK - 5 WIA
90 ID - 36 KIA, 147 WIA, 21 MIA, replacements received 15 O, 167 NCO, 560 EM, 10 K18 (10cm?), 4 lFH
ARKO Afrika - 1 KIA, 1 WIA

More? Any interest remaining? Or should I start filling in the Commonwealth details? :lol:

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Post by Michate » 14 Jul 2006 15:36

More? Any interest remaining? Or should I start filling in the Commonwealth details?


Of course there is still much interest for more of this detailed data (and CW data as well) which makes this a terrific thread. Thanks very much for posting all this.

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Post by RichTO90 » 14 Jul 2006 16:45

Michate wrote:
More? Any interest remaining? Or should I start filling in the Commonwealth details?


Of course there is still much interest for more of this detailed data (and CW data as well) which makes this a terrific thread. Thanks very much for posting all this.


You're welcome Michate. BTW, for those interested, the sources are:

Pz.A.O.K. Ia
NARA RG242, T313, R467, F4558~, R470, F8494~, R471, F886~ (many of the records were filmed out of sequence, which is pain to review :( )

Pz.A.O.K. Ic
NARA RG242, T313, R471 F9050~

Sadly, many of the reports were hand written and/or poorly filmed, so any errors in transcription may not be solely my responsibility. Virtually all of these were Tagesmeldungen, thus recorded sometime in the evening of the day in question (typically around 2000-2200 hours, about the earliest readable time signature is about 1945). I have taken the liberty to insert the various Nachmeldungen into the respective dates.

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Post by RichTO90 » 14 Jul 2006 20:38

RichTO90 wrote:More


31 October:

XX AK
Trieste - 34 mediums
Ariete 126 mediums
Littorio - 38 mediums, 21 lights
4 KIA, 18 WIA plus 2 KIA, 10 WIA in bombing
X AK - 4 KIA, 5 WIA
Kasta DAK 5 PzIII (k), 2 PzIII (l), 1 KIA, 2 WIA
15 PzD - 5 PzII, 15 PzIII (k), 20 PzIII (l), 2 PzIV (k), 3 PzIV (l), 1 PzBefehl
21 PzD - 5 PzII, 19 PzIII (k), 11 PzIII (l), 3 PzIV (k), 6 PzIV (l), 2 PzBefhl
6 KIA, 18 WIA

1 November:
Kasta DAK - 5 PzIII 9K0, 2 PzIII (l)
15 PzD - 5 PzII, 15 PzIII (k), 27 PzIII (l), 3 PzIV (k), 5 PzIV (l), 1 PzBefehl
21 PzD - 5 PzII, 22 PzIII (k), 11 PzIII (l), 3 PzIV (k), 6 PzIV (l), 2 PzBefehl
25 KIA, 42 WIA, 1 5cm Pak lost
AA 580 - 2 WIA
PzJA 605 - 3 7.62cm Pak, 8 4.7cm Pak, 6 4cm Flak (?), 4 Mark III, 1 Mark VI
ARKO Afrika - 1 KIA, 2 WIA, 1 MIA
XX AK
Trieste - 27 mediums
Ariete - 124 mediums
Littorio - 38 mediums, 21 lights
Nizza - 24 AC
5 WIA
Ramcke - 2 WIA
X AK - no losses reported
XXI AK - 1 KIA, 5 WIA, 73 PW captured 23-32 Oct
PzAOK reports a total of 798 PW captured 23-32 Oct

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Post by Alex Yeliseenko » 16 Jul 2006 13:59

RichTO90 wrote:
RichTO90 wrote:More


31 October:

XX AK
Trieste - 34 mediums
Ariete 126 mediums
Littorio - 38 mediums, 21 lights
4 KIA, 18 WIA plus 2 KIA, 10 WIA in bombing
X AK - 4 KIA, 5 WIA
Kasta DAK 5 PzIII (k), 2 PzIII (l), 1 KIA, 2 WIA
15 PzD - 5 PzII, 15 PzIII (k), 20 PzIII (l), 2 PzIV (k), 3 PzIV (l), 1 PzBefehl
21 PzD - 5 PzII, 19 PzIII (k), 11 PzIII (l), 3 PzIV (k), 6 PzIV (l), 2 PzBefhl
6 KIA, 18 WIA

1 November:
Kasta DAK - 5 PzIII 9K0, 2 PzIII (l)
15 PzD - 5 PzII, 15 PzIII (k), 27 PzIII (l), 3 PzIV (k), 5 PzIV (l), 1 PzBefehl
21 PzD - 5 PzII, 22 PzIII (k), 11 PzIII (l), 3 PzIV (k), 6 PzIV (l), 2 PzBefehl
25 KIA, 42 WIA, 1 5cm Pak lost
AA 580 - 2 WIA
PzJA 605 - 3 7.62cm Pak, 8 4.7cm Pak, 6 4cm Flak (?), 4 Mark III, 1 Mark VI
ARKO Afrika - 1 KIA, 2 WIA, 1 MIA
XX AK
Trieste - 27 mediums
Ariete - 124 mediums
Littorio - 38 mediums, 21 lights
Nizza - 24 AC
5 WIA
Ramcke - 2 WIA
X AK - no losses reported
XXI AK - 1 KIA, 5 WIA, 73 PW captured 23-32 Oct
PzAOK reports a total of 798 PW captured 23-32 Oct


Hello!

Whether there are at you such data for November, 2nd and 3? What at you sources of the information?

Best regards from Siberia!

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Post by RichTO90 » 17 Jul 2006 18:38

Alex Yeliseenko wrote:Hello!

Whether there are at you such data for November, 2nd and 3? What at you sources of the information?

Best regards from Siberia!


Hi Alex. Check my post of Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:45 pm. :D

To continue:

2 November:

Ramcke - 8 WIA
AA 580 - 1 WIA
AA 33 - 2 KIA, 5 WIA
Koruck (?)
German - 25 KIA, 54 WIA
Italian - 29 KIA, 170 WIA

3 November:
Ramcke - 2 KIA, 1 WIA
XX AK
Ariete - 120 mediums
Littorio - 17 mediums
Trieste - 6 mediums
90 ID - 10 KIA, 18 WIA, 145 MIA
Kasta DAK - 2 WIA
DAK - 32 Panzers operational

The next report is 8 November:
90 ID - 32 PW captured
Replacements received: 6 PzIII, 3 PzIV, 3 AC
PzGR Afrika - 3 KIA, 22 WIA (from bombing), 5 5cm Pak and 4 2cm Flak (Sfl) lost

9 November:
PzGR Afrika - 11 KIA, 26 WIA (from bombing)
AA 3 - 2 PW captured
15 PzD - 11 guns and 0 Panzers
21 PzD - 6 guns and 11 Panzers

10 November:
AA 3 - 2 KIA, 12 WIA

11 November:
1,300 Ersatz arrive by air

23 November:
Kasta Dak - 1 PzIII (k)
15 PzD - 8 PzIII (l), 9 PzIV (k), 2 PzIV (l)
21 PzD - 1 PzII, 1 PzIII (k), 3 PzIII (l), 3 PzIV (k), 2 PzIV (l)
164 ID - 9. Werfer Abtl and III/IR 47 attached

I think that covers Alamein pretty well.

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Post by RichTO90 » 18 Aug 2006 15:11

RichTO90 wrote:[I've suspected as much for some time, since I've never located any other info on HKAA 532. But that leaves open the question of what formed Stab II./Afrika-Artillerie 1? Also, note that the batteries of the various battalions forming the new regiment were reasigned throughout, I've only managed to identify HKAB 364 as 10./Afrika-Artillerie 1 and 4./ Heeres-Küsten-Artillerie-Abteilung. 149 as 2./Afrika-Artillerie 2 - does anyone know any of the other battery redesignations?


Finally managed to locate the orders for the reformation of the Heeres Artillerie. It is in RG242, T313, R458, F4938 and is O.K.Pz.A.-Afrika Abt. Ia. Nr. 2202/42 g.Kdos. dated 23 September 1942.

It turns out that I./Afrika-A.R. 2 was newly formed rather than a renamed organization, although it appears that its personnel were drawn from Art.Battr. 502.

The organizations and equipment as given, with the original unit in parens wa:

HARKO Afrika (ARKO 104)
Stab Afrika-Art.Rgt. Nr. 1 (Stab A.R. 221)
I. Abtl. (Stab II?A.R. 115)
1. Battr. 8.76cm K (e) (3./533)
2. Battr. 10cm K (3./408)
3. Battr. 21cm Moerser (6./115)
II. Abtl. (Stab Abt. 533)
4. Bttr. 8.76cm K (e) (1./533)
5. Bttr. 10cm K (2./408)
6. Bttr. 21cm Moerser (5./115)
III. Abtl. (Stab Abtl. 408)
7. Bttr. 8.76cm K (e) (2./533)
8. Bttr. s.F.H. (1./408)
9. Bttr. 21cm Moerser (4./115)
10. Bttr. 7.62cm K (r) (Bttr. 364)
Stab Afrika-Art.Rgt. Nr. 2 (newly formed)
I. Abtl. (newly formed)
1. Battr. 17cm K (Battr. 502)
2. Battr. 17cm K (4./149)
3. Battr. 17cm K (Battr. 362)
II. Abtl. (Stab Abtl. 528)
4. Battr. 15cm K (f) (1./528 still in Brindisi)
5. Battr. 15cm K (f) (2./528)
6. Battr. 15cm K (f) (3./528)
III. Abtl. (Stab Abtl. 523)
7. Battr. 11.4cm K (e) (1./523)
8. Battr. 15cm K (f) (newly formed, although the attached gliederung shows it as 2./523)
9. Battr. 15cm K (f) (3./523)
IV. Abtl. (Stab Abtl. 529 the battalion and all elements was still in Italy)
10. Battr. 10.5cm K (?) (1./529)
11. Battr. 10.5cm K (?) (2./529)
12. Battr. 10.5cm K (?) (3./529)

Which raises new questions?
When did IV/Afrika A.R. 2 (Abtl. 529) arrive?
What were they armed with? What was a 10.5cm Kanone and how was it different from a 10cm Kanone?

Note also though that in the gliederung Battr. 502 is given as "902"!

Finally, it is noted that 1./, 4./, 7./, 10./AAR 1, I./, 5./, 6./, and III./AAR 2 were all motorized with captured British vehicles.

Hope you find that interesting.

Rich

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