El Alamein

[Oasis]

Hi RichTO90

have you some separated figures about italian Brescia Inf. Division ?

[RichTO90]

Hi RichTO90

have you some separated figures about italian Brescia Inf. Division ?

I can see. For what period?

[Oasis]

Hi RichTO90

have you some separated figures about italian Brescia Inf. Division ?

I can see. For what period?

I'm interested from february 1941 to end (3 nov'42)
and particularly with its 1st Celere Artillery Rgt (Articelere) of which I'm searching any information

[Jon G.]

A number of speculative posts about Rommel's possible course of action if he had broken through at El Alamenin have been split off and merged into this thread, located in the What-If Section:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=99576

Please continue the post-Alamein discussion there.

[Gooner1]

On the air battle at Alamein figures from the British Official History Vol4.

Allies - 750 aircraft (530 serviceable)
Axis - 275 German (150) and 400 Italian (200)

so no great superiority in numbers yet in sorties flown (aircraft lost) to 4th November:

Allies - 11,586 (97)
Axis - 3,120 (84)

there is great disparity.

[luigi]

530 allied airplanes versus 350 axis airplanes is 180 airplanes and it do seem to mee indeed a good superiority, this means some 51% more planes to the allied side than the Axis had: it would also be good to look into the composition of the numbers, how many fighters, how many bombers and ground attack planes a.s.o.. Add to this that the major part of the Axis planes were Italian outdated ones (from CR42 to Macchi 200 and Fiat G50, only a few being Macchi 202, who could contend the skies on roughly equal terms than their opponents, althoug still being outgunned). You can note also that the losses per sorties flown speak for themselves. I think the disparity relies on lack of materials, being the long logistic tail hammered 24/7 by the allied air forces.

Regards

[rommelubb]

Great Post!
I want to know if someone have statistics for the 8th army??? like axis statistics.... are really good

Thank u

[eduard]

Were the Italian 75/50 AA guns used in the dual role as the classic 88 AA german guns??

is there any picture of them at Alamein?

Thanks

Eduard

[David W]

No they weren't is the short answer.

The crews were not trained to engage ground targets, nor did they posses any dedicated AP ammo (just time delay fused AA rounds).

This is not to say that they would not fire at ground targets in extremis though.

[valentine III]

From http://www.italie1935-45.com/RE/photosc ... 75-50.html

In 1942 they had an AT shell built by the italians. It also was liked by its lower profile. They were the substitutes of other italian 76/46 or german 88/56 weapons and prbably were used the same way. There were never many of them.

[valentine III]

Was any battery of 152/37 guns available for the october battle of Alamein. I've read that 52 gruppo with only 4 guns was "surrounded" on 10th July 1942?

From " Alamein" Caccia Dominioni and the intelligence summary 9th australian division a report from one prisoner.


Thanks

[Hellcat45]

Here's the thing about Monty. Sure. He was acerbic and had a high-pitched voice (Not dissimiar to Pattons, by the way, high screechy girly voice both...)

But When Monty first met Ike he demaned Ike put his cigarette. Ike never knew.

Bernard was wounded in WW I...shot in the chest, laying under British dead for many days...later in that same time period shot in the leg by a German sniper...So Mont knew the score.

He had no respect for anyone but......MONTY..............and MARKET GARDEN shows his ineptitude. Mont's greatest epitath is this. I'll sit on my arse until I have OVERWHELMING FORCES...and then only just.......and i might not or might NOT attack.....after tea, that is.....

[Hellcat45]

Ike's cigarette smoke irritated Mont's chest wound...but he was loathe to admit it......so....when Mont told Ike to not smoke in his presence.....he didn't explain the physical agony.....and IKE TOOK IT TO HEART...and thus they got off on the the wrong hoof......from the git-go.....

[kimbly61]

My grandfather served in El Alamein with the Australian 9th division. He was part of the 2/3rd anti tank regiment. He was killed on the 29th October, 1942.
There were definitely Australians in that bloody battle!

[tigre]

Hello to all ; a little complement.....................

Mongomery and his Army Corps Commanders before El Alamein - October 1942.

Source: A full life by Lt. Grl Sir Brain Horrocks. 1960

Cheers. Raúl M .