Urmel wrote: dor1941 wrote:
Thanks for the input.
David W wrote:
617th Heeres Fla (M.g) Bataillon. I can't place the 3rd Ko in N.A before 12/03/42.
Bender and Law (Uniforms, Organization and History of the Afrikakorps
, p. 114) state the "3./Flak-Abteilung 617" was part of Kampfgruppe Menny, an all-arms battlegroup formed for the defensive battles near Gazala, December 13-16, 1941. Source in footnote is Microfilm Publication T315, roll 666, frame 001272. However, no mention here of 1. and 2./Flak-Abt. 617
David, the other David is probably right, and Bender & Law are wrong. Frame 001272 shows the organisation of KG Menny on 22 April 1942, not December 1941, so that would be a serious
error in their book.
Bender & Law wrote the following:
"Kampfgruppe Menny" was formed prior to, or shortly after the opening phases of the assault on the Gazala Line (December 13-16, 1941). A second "Kampfgruppe Menny" was formed around April 2, 1943 (47)
2./Panzer-Regiment 8 (one zug of Pzkw IVs)
Teile Panzer-Nachrichten-Abteilung 78
1./Flak-Abteilung 18 (Luftwaffe)
one Panzer-Abteilung von Division Ariete
one Batterie Sfl. von Division Ariete
one Kr. K.W.-Zug
Commander: Oberst Erwin Menny
Engagements: German assault on the Gazala Line (Libya, December of 1941)"
All that is verbatim from p. 114. The footnote (47) above states:
"Microfilm Publication T315, roll 666, frame 001272, and The Relief of Tobruk
, pp. 499-500".
The reference in the New Zealand OH above does not mention any of the German units of Kampfgruppe Menny other than "the
composite battalion of 115 Infantry Regiment". It is merely a two page account of the destruction of 1st Bn, The Buffs at Point 204 on December 15th. Is the german document in "frame 001272" just dated April 1942 or does it explicitly state KG Menny had that organization on April 22nd? If the latter, then it would be logical that Bender and Law are in error.