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ClintHardware wrote:Jentz Page 167 Panzertruppen Vol 1 states that the 15 Panzer IIIs and 5 Panzer IVs for PzRgt 5 were issued 4th June for the April losses so surely they were part of the 96 operational on the 15th June. Do you have another source placing them later? This is important point because it may reflect upon the damage suffered on the 1st May.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1#p1888861
The very next post, you received an answer.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1888865
Not only did you receive the answer, but the poster, nmao, was kind enough to embolden and underline the relevant text so you couldn't miss it.
However, somehow you contrived to do just that, and thus you demanded once again - just 2 posts later and 6" on my screen. And the only post in between the two was one of yours...
And here we are a year later ...
ClintHardware wrote:MarkN wrote:ClintHardware wrote: Now where is the report of the 15+5 arriving after the 4th June?
2 posts above this question. On my screen, about 6".
No could not find it - can someone give the data please (dates and numbers).
... which is somewhat of a surprise since it is a mere 6 or 7 lines of text after the information you present....
Clearly, you only read and digest the words and information that suit your position.
Since I'm feeling charitable, I'll post the actual extract for you to read.
And to just provide a little further assistance, I'll write the relevant words:-
... so these replacement tanks didn't actually arrive in Libya until August through October.
To recap, the 34 tanks (4 II, 21 III and 9 IV) sent as replacement for PzRegt.5 AND PzRegt.8's combat losses didn't
arrive before August; some as late as October. The fact that had been
issued in June and July is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
One could argue that that is indicative of the total write-offs incurred by PzRegt.5 AND PzRegt.8 up to mid July 1941. That would include losses to enemy forces, losses to mines and any other incidents that would cause a total write-off.
ClintHardware wrote:I get the feeling that many here only want to take account of panzers written off.
Nobody is claiming that more were not hit. But it would seem PzRegt.5 AND PzRegt.8 may had lost just 34 tanks (II/III/IV) up to mid-July.
They only required 20 replacements issued before Op Brevity. This suggest only about 20 were lost by PzRegt.5 up to that point. 17 of which were lost on 14 April and 3 on 2 April. I for one can accept the numbers do not have to be exact, but the evidence that 2nd Armoured Division inflicted a massive toll on PzRegt.5 just doesn't add up. The desert did the damage to numbers - just like it did to the British tanks. How many did 2nd Armoured Division lose in combat and how many did they run into the ground through the desert: 10:120ish?