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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by Urmel » 18 Aug 2016 20:17

Great thanks!
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by Dili » 19 Aug 2016 17:56

Urmel wrote:By the way, could the 'tank' be a Semovente 75/18?
Not at all, this vehicle appears half size roughly.

A Semovente 75/18 or a M13/40 have 4 "boggies" each with 2 wheels, this one have only 2 "boggies" with 2 wheels.

I would say the the odds are that it is a L6/40 by lack of alternatives.

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by kgvm » 25 Aug 2016 22:06

" In the stern section, so astern from the superstructure, the wreck has 2 cargo holds, each on 3 floors or levels ."
But pictures of "Leverkusen" show three hatches (and so very probably three holds, too) aft!
Last point: the Woermann Line was still in existence with own ships during the war, so why a plate with WL on a ship of the Hapag?

Is it possible you've found the "Ingo" lost near Kerkena 27.01.1941?? She had two holds at the stern and - while owned by Hamburg-Bremer Afrika-Linie - was managed by Woermann-Linie since 1934.

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by sebastiano » 25 Aug 2016 23:04

thanks kgvm for the suggestion. We found also the Ingo, but it is not this one. The Ingo is a few miles from this. It was carrying fuel in cans, a lot of artillery ammunitions airplanes parts and some particular cart for airplanes assistance.

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by kgvm » 26 Aug 2016 08:52

Fuel in cans in january 1941? Sounds not very likely, but maybe Urmel has a loading list.

In any case "Ingo" is the only ship of Woermann / Deutsche Afrika Linien lost in the Mediterranean!
How did you identify it? Found a nameplate??

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by Urmel » 26 Aug 2016 10:16

I wouldn't be surprised about fuel in cans, especially if it was Luftwaffe cargo. It makes it easier to distribute it in Libya, and means that the port tank capacity is not needed.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by kgvm » 26 Aug 2016 13:28

"I wouldn't be surprised about fuel in cans, especially if it was Luftwaffe cargo."
Yes, but in January 1941 there was, AFAIK, no German Luftwaffe in North Africa.

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by Urmel » 26 Aug 2016 13:41

But they were building it up and the first planes got there within two weeks or so.
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The CRUSADER Project - The Winter Battle 1941/42

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by sebastiano » 28 Aug 2016 11:22

hello guys, id of the Ingo is not 100%, even if it really looked probable. It has been based on the sequence of masts and cranes, the estimation of the dimensions, the compatible position and, probably most of all, the damage as he took one torpedo in the engine room which is what the wreck very clearly shows.

I'm just back from an expedition here in Lampedusa, and yesterday we found another big freighter sunk with German supplies. I will ask help and info shortly about it!

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by Dili » 28 Aug 2016 18:02

Nice Sebastiano. Try to get details like the bridge if possible, hull holes, anchor hole position in relation to the bow, funnel and respirators .

In general things that might be compared to existing photographies.

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by kgvm » 28 Aug 2016 19:17

And don't forget the hullform: flushdecked or with raised forecastle and/ or poop, might be the existence of a welldeck etc.

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by Dantam99 » 24 Jul 2019 05:43

These posts are from several years ago and I just stumbled upon them in my search to find more info about a photo that I have. My great grandfather was a German Merchant Marine. I have a photo of the Leverkusen sinking and he wrote on the back in German but it says the name of the ship, the date, that it was torpedoed and how many miles off the coast of Tripoli that it happened.. your underwater photos of the wreck are amazing .

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by Dili » 24 Jul 2019 12:19

Hello Dantam99, world is small place :) is it possible you post a scan of your great grandfather photo?

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Re: SS Leverkusen

Post by Urmel » 28 Jul 2019 17:07

Oh yes please!
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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