German tank deliveries to North Africa

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 16 Apr 2018 03:10

Hi Mark

Don't often disagree with you, but have to here.

1) The authorisation for the 8-coy regiment must have been there much longer. In Dec 41 the tanks for two of the four coys were sunk on Filzi and del Greco, the other two arrived, one in Benghazi on Ankara, the other in Tripoli on Monviso. I have seen no evidence that indicated they were meant to be 6-coy regiments at the beginning.
2) Stab D.A.K. and Stab Panzerarmee were not meant to have armoured protection when established. This was born out of the experience of CRUSADER, and the substantial number of operational British tanks captured in January 1942, and the Panzerarmee Kampfgruppe was equipped with M3s initially I believe. D.A.K. I am not aware they ever had something like this.
3) 90.lei. wasn't established with a Panzerabteilung. It was meant as a stationary division for the protection of the frontier/assault on Tobruk. The Panzerabteilung addition came later.

As for the British tanks, sure, but who cared? There wasn't much else they could have done with these tanks in any case, while the Germans could have used them in Barbarossa.
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Don Juan » 16 Apr 2018 09:44

Urmel wrote:As for the British tanks, sure, but who cared? There wasn't much else they could have done with these tanks in any case, while the Germans could have used them in Barbarossa.
The Germans could have really, really, really used them in Barbarossa.

I've just read this book which describes in detail just how shockingly abysmal the planning for Barbarossa was, and how grossly the operation was under-resourced. As the amount of tank spares (particularly engines) dedicated to Barbarossa was, in practical terms, pretty much zero, everything sent to the Middle East represented a vital resource that was denied the Ostheer.
"The demonstration, as a demonstration, was a failure. The sunshield would not fit the tank. Altogether it was rather typically Middle Easty."
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 16 Apr 2018 12:13

Yes, that’s my reading as well. CRUSADER took two Panzerdivisionen off the German roster, and required a massive repositioning of the German air transport fleet, one of the few strategic assets the Wehrmacht bad.
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Rnox » 24 Apr 2018 19:26

Hi,

KYBFELS Schiff [Hypothese 5. Leichte-Division ??] :

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NEAPEL Hafen :

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Dili » 05 Jun 2018 13:08

Urmel at least in 2 browsers i have an issue that the notes are mixed with "about project" so must have be some issue with formatting.

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 05 Jun 2018 13:23

Hi

Not sure I understand. Can you post a screenie?
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Dili » 05 Jun 2018 13:45

Sure. This is Opera also occurs with Firefox clone Cyberfox.
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by nmao » 05 Jun 2018 14:08

For what it's worth, i also have this issue in Edge, IE and Chrome.

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 05 Jun 2018 14:44

That’s the problem with Wordpress.

Post the link and I’ll try to fix it. Will post here when done.
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Dili » 05 Jun 2018 15:10

https://rommelsriposte.com/2013/03/07/g ... th-africa/ i see now this is from 2013 IMO do not invest much fixing it and also PDF is available. Sorry.

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 05 Jun 2018 22:13

Thanks for reminding me. Wanted to fix that for a while.
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 10 Jun 2018 02:52

Okay, I fixed it for this entry now:

https://rommelsriposte.com/2013/08/11/i ... 0-to-1942/

Let me know if that worked.
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Dili » 10 Jun 2018 04:30

In that link it is okay.

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 10 Jun 2018 06:22

Okay thanks. Then the issue is probably the number of columns in a table. I'll try to fix that in the other post.
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Leo Niehorster » 10 Jun 2018 09:03

Have you thought of converting the Wordpress document into a PDF file and then uploading?
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