German tank deliveries to North Africa

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Dene » 02 Dec 2022 22:03

Privat Fotos von der Leverkusen aus meiner Sammlung
Leverkusen Unfall in Neapel
Feuer auf der Leverkusen nach Abriss von Traverse (Hängegeschirr).
Feuerwehr auf dem weg zum Brand der Leverkusen.
Foto vom verunglückten Panzer der vermutlich das Feuer ausgelöst hatte.
Konvoj überfahrt nach Tripolis.
*Verlade Fotos aus diversen Netzfunde mit Infos der beladenen Panzer und Fahrzeuge auf der Leverkusen.

Fotos sind aus dem Nachlass:
Major Peter Deiglmayr
Kfz Inst Regiment 548
Führer Zentral Ersatzteil Lager 210 Deutsch/Italienische Panzerarmee.
Sammlung Denis Daum
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 04 Dec 2022 08:25

Fantastic pictures, many thanks for posting these.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by olmi57 » 20 Dec 2022 15:33

Great images, Denis, besten Dank.
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Attached a side view of HAPAG MS Leverkusen (source:internet).
Wondering how it looked in full camo paint...
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BTW, just finished a little photo docu on the March 12,1941 PzReg.5 Tripoli Parade :
https://www.o5m6.de/wehrmacht/wm_na_tanks.php#Tripo
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 21 Dec 2022 08:28

Fantastic work!
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by David W » 21 Dec 2022 08:33

Superb work!

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by FredT » 21 Apr 2023 05:18

I was hoping that Robert Forczyk's Desert Armour would be the definitive work on the subject, but I have found errors. For example, the only German pre-Crusader tank replacements he lists are 15x Pz III and 5x Pz IV in early June 1941. He omits RECAM and all the tanks sunk by Upright. He says the Empire Song had 50 Matildas instead of 45. And he gets mixed up about Convoy WS.8b saying 12 Matildas and 14 cruisers instead of 14 and 12.

My questions for the group are:

1. Are Urmel's numbers from 2018 still considered to be the best available for the Germans?

2. Did Convoy WS.11 have 20 Crusaders (Forczyk) or 30 (Urmel).

3. Did the Italian IX Battalion arrive in August (Sadkovich) or October (Forczyk)?

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 21 Apr 2023 16:04

I am afraid Forczyk chose not to get in touch with us, as we would have been happy to help him, for free.
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by David W » 21 Apr 2023 16:21

Any idea if any of those cruisers were C/S?

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by FredT » 21 Apr 2023 18:04

Thanks for the document, it's much appreciated.

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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 21 Apr 2023 18:09

None that I can see. I suspect the Mk. IVs should be CS, but no proof either way.
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Re: German tank deliveries to North Africa

Post by Urmel » 21 Apr 2023 18:22

FredT wrote:
21 Apr 2023 18:04
Thanks for the document, it's much appreciated.
No worries, happy to help.

As for the other questions:

- right now cannot help with IX Btg Carri, but if you pushed me I would go for August;
- as for the quality of our 2018 analysis of tank shipments, all I can say is that I would love to see corrections.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

The CRUSADER Project - The Winter Battle 1941/42

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