X Gruppo/Squadroni Mitraglieri Vittorio Emanuele II

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Re: X Gruppo/Squadroni Mitraglieri Vittorio Emanuele II

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Post by Dili » 02 Apr 2018, 16:48

Jeff it is possible as you say and the title squadron CC is incorrect

What btg libici existed by that time Jeff that got the new TOE?

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Re: X Gruppo/Squadroni Mitraglieri Vittorio Emanuele II

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Post by David W » 02 Apr 2018, 17:48

Jeff said "At the same time, the btg. libica was reorganized with a pl. mtr. with three sq. mtr.; and a pl. misto armi c.a. e acc. with two sq. c.c. and two sq. c.a. See Struttura, uniformi, distintivi ed insigne delle truppe Libiche 1912-1943, page 62. "

Didn't the AS40 version also have a pl. mtr?

Dili said "Did the AS42 version also have the same number of personnel and light machine guns as the AS40?What btg libici existed by that time Jeff that got the new TOE?"

Good question!

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Re: X Gruppo/Squadroni Mitraglieri Vittorio Emanuele II

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Post by jwsleser » 02 Apr 2018, 19:10

I started a new thread got discuss the Libyans.

Jeff it is possible as you say and the title squadron CC is incorrect

It is certainly possible. We need to find a solid source to fully resolve this issue. Even the sequence that the units are listed troubles me.
4 sqd. mitr.,
1 gr. di artiglieria su 3 batterie da 77/28
1 sqd. cannoni anticarro.
It is possible the cannoni c.c. is TO&E, but not the artiglieria. If the cannoni c.c. was listed before the artillery, it would be more acceptable. But this is not how one lists assigned and attached units.

Sources are provided on the Regio Esercito website for that article. If someone could check them, that would help. I could be complete wrong on this matter :-(

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Re: X Gruppo/Squadroni Mitraglieri Vittorio Emanuele II

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Post by Dili » 02 Apr 2018, 19:22

Just to remind that GAF fanteria had both the 77/28 and AT guns but we know almost 0 about GAF inner structure except the gun types and quantities.

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Re: X Gruppo/Squadroni Mitraglieri Vittorio Emanuele II

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Post by jwsleser » 02 Apr 2018, 20:20

Just to remind that GAF fanteria had both the 77/28 and AT guns but we know almost 0 about GAF inner structure except the gun types and quantities.
Again true, but those were stationary/garrison units.

Is it possible that this unit was to be used as a garrison unit? If so, then the artillery and c.c. could make sense. It was appiedati, so I could be thinking about it with the wrong mission in mind. If in fact a garrison unit, did it arrive from the madrepatria with these guns?

So I will withhold judgement on the organization until we have more info.

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Re: X Gruppo/Squadroni Mitraglieri Vittorio Emanuele II

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Post by Dili » 04 Apr 2018, 02:37

I think it is possible.

I don't believe it came with 77/28 guns. I have only know of units with 77/28 guns in Africa , excluding the AA version which was in AA militia in Italy .
I don't think there is much doubt that the 77/28 are not organic. Only the 47/32 AT.

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