Operation Olive ... Adriatic flank OOB ... clarifications needed

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Operation Olive ... Adriatic flank OOB ... clarifications needed

Post by DaveyJJ » 10 Apr 2019 14:06

Hi,

I have two conflicting sources that show different OOB for the Adriatic flank of Operation Olive starting in late August 1944. This conflict seems to be centred on the II Polish Corps and opposing German OOBs. In this image of the OOB found on Wikipedia ...

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it shows the 3rd Carpathian Infantry Division on the coast, with the 5th Kresowa Infantry Division on its left flank next to the 1st Canadian Infantry Division. They face the reorganizing 278th Infantry Division across the 40-60m wide (shallow) Metauro River, with the 1st Fallschirmjäger in the rear behind the Green Line at Pesaro. That II Corp Polish frontage is about 13km wide, starting at the coast and running west to just east of the town of Calcinelli.

As an aside, about 2km of the Polish corps left flank was under Polish operations, but Canadian administration. Anyway ...

The contradiction comes from another two articles about the opening stages of Operation Olive on 25 August. In that article, it states that the 5th Kresowa was covering the entire frontage of II Polish Corps, with the 3rd Carpathian in reserve behind them. In addition, the same article says that the German defenders that the Poles slammed across the river into were the 1st Fallschirmjäger, with the 278th on their right flank (west) who were reorigansing at the time and facing the Canadians.

Yet there are too many articles in Canadian military archives supporting the Poles attacking the 278th, who then shifted west to reinforce against the Canadians, with the 278th then replaced by forward elements of the 1st Fallschirmjäger.

Which account is correct do you think? Thank you!

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Re: Operation Olive ... Adriatic flank OOB ... clarifications needed

Post by diciassette2000 » 11 Apr 2019 09:07

Hope it helps

http://igrek.amzp.pl/mapindex.php?cat=12KGGSZKICE

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Re: Operation Olive ... Adriatic flank OOB ... clarifications needed

Post by Kingfish » 11 Apr 2019 09:53

Sounds to me like the Allied attack caught the two German divisions in the middle of a redeployment, with 278th ID side-stepping westward and 1st FJ filling the gap. This would have elements of both divisions intermingled for a time and thus create two different accounts.
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Re: Operation Olive ... Adriatic flank OOB ... clarifications needed

Post by jwsleser » 14 Apr 2019 15:43

The following is from The Mediterranean and Middle East vol VI part II

[Page 157] The 1st FJD was ordered forward on 19 Aug. 278 ID was to fall back and through 1 FJD and sidestep west and replace the 5 GJD. These changes were completed by 23 Aug. The map shows the positions on 25 Aug.

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The offensive is show in this map.

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Re: Operation Olive ... Adriatic flank OOB ... clarifications needed

Post by DaveyJJ » 15 Apr 2019 15:37

Thank you everyone for your generous help!

The information posted has clarified the week of 18–25 August of 1944 for me. The 278th infantry division was routed after the attacks on the 18th across the Miso at Senigallia, and then the Polish II Corps battled the the 1st Fallschirmjäger (Parachute) division when they crossed the Metuaro on the 25th, on the opening days of Operation Olive.

This has been more than very helpful.

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Re: Operation Olive ... Adriatic flank OOB ... clarifications needed

Post by Oasis » 10 Jun 2019 20:28

DaveyJJ wrote:
10 Apr 2019 14:06
Hi,

I have two conflicting sources that show different OOB for the Adriatic flank of Operation Olive starting in late August 1944. This conflict seems to be centred on the II Polish Corps and opposing German OOBs. In this image of the OOB found on Wikipedia ...

Image

it shows the 3rd Carpathian Infantry Division on the coast, with the 5th Kresowa Infantry Division on its left flank next to the 1st Canadian Infantry Division. They face the reorganizing 278th Infantry Division across the 40-60m wide (shallow) Metauro River, with the 1st Fallschirmjäger in the rear behind the Green Line at Pesaro. That II Corp Polish frontage is about 13km wide, starting at the coast and running west to just east of the town of Calcinelli.

As an aside, about 2km of the Polish corps left flank was under Polish operations, but Canadian administration. Anyway ...

The contradiction comes from another two articles about the opening stages of Operation Olive on 25 August. In that article, it states that the 5th Kresowa was covering the entire frontage of II Polish Corps, with the 3rd Carpathian in reserve behind them. In addition, the same article says that the German defenders that the Poles slammed across the river into were the 1st Fallschirmjäger, with the 278th on their right flank (west) who were reorigansing at the time and facing the Canadians.

Yet there are too many articles in Canadian military archives supporting the Poles attacking the 278th, who then shifted west to reinforce against the Canadians, with the 278th then replaced by forward elements of the 1st Fallschirmjäger.

Which account is correct do you think? Thank you!
maybe this map will help you
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