Tom from Cornwall wrote: ↑
19 Jul 2019 20:03
Ok, but we should consider the 26th Panzer Division battle group which attacked 201 Gds Bde on 16 Sep 43 then shouldn't we?
Going from memory, but I believe that "battle group" was a single infantry battalion and was actually attached to HG for that? I know the few tanks available to 26. Panzer were spread far and wide attached to other formations.
Isn't it more accurate to say that "fundamentally, Salerno was fought by two Corps groupings (mixed and constantly shifting in scale and form); from 10 Sep 14 Panzer Corps operated in the north against 10 Corps and 76th Panzer Corps operated in the centre and to the south and attempted to split the Allied forces whilst containing 6 US Corps.
No, they were fought by two corps headquarters, but the forces under them operated under two divisional headquarters for most of the battle, HG in the north and center conducting the initial counterattacks on 10 Corps with 16. Panzer in the south counterattacking the 36th ID. When the Germans went over to the defense and then began withdrawing c. 19 September, 76. Panzerkorps was still overseeing the final withdrawal from Calabria by 29. PzGD and the situation around Potenza and west of Bari with 1. FJD (-).
As you say, however, and despite the rather copious collection of German primary sources which are available, "part of the problem is the German habit of forming ad hoc kampfgruppen under the command of various headquarters". It also doesn't help that 16 panzer Division started out un
Indeed and they also seem to have had very fluid boundaries between the two corps and the various hodgepodge of units they employed, so it is very difficult to be clear on what the arrangement was day-to-day. One possible way to determine who fought, when they were committed, and how hard they fought is by the reported losses for the event, but some of that is inferred:
29. PzGD to 17 September c. 763 battle casualties/sick (unclear when first engaged)
HG to 18 September 995 BC
26. PzD 13-17 September 451 BC (first engaged 13 September)
16. PzD to 19 September c. 1,752 BC
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