Loss of Ariete artillery at first Alamein

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Loss of Ariete artillery at first Alamein

Post by Kingfish » 05 Aug 2019 10:56

Captured equipment included twelve 105-millimetre guns, eleven 88-millimetre and Russian 76·2-millimetre, sixteen 75-millimetre and five 25-pounders, a total of forty-four heavy artillery pieces, as well as some 20-millimetre dual purpose (anti-aircraft and anti-tank) guns, mortars, and other small arms.
Souce: http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarl ... p-c16.html

How did the loss of it's artillery affect the division's performance at Alam Halfa and 2nd Alamein?
Were the losses made up, and if so how and from what source?
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Re: Loss of Ariete artillery at first Alamein

Post by DrG » 08 Aug 2019 14:00

The Italian official history (Mario Montanari, "Le operazioni in Africa Settentrionale - III - El Alamein"), chapter 7, note 31, tells that, while British sources provide the data that you have quoted, the Ariete lost 16 47/32 guns, 6 75/27 guns, 6 88 mm guns, 1 90 mm gun and 7 105 mm guns. It doesn't explain this discrepancy.
The following note 32 states that Ariete was able to rebuild a tank platoon and a section of 90 mm guns, provided by the 15. Panzer Division, the V bersaglieri battalion with a command platoon and a company.
If you are interested in this topic, the book of the official history of the three battles of El Alamein is available also in English language:
http://www.esercito.difesa.it/storia/Uf ... amein.aspx

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Re: Loss of Ariete artillery at first Alamein

Post by jwsleser » 08 Aug 2019 16:34

From the same source, by 2nd Alamein (Alam Halfa), most of the artillery losses had been replaced from Italy.

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