You are wrong about Stalingrad : less than 230000 were encircled and a lot of Germans were already POWs before January 31 .Sid Guttridge wrote: ↑20 Aug 2020 07:38Hi ljadw,
Van Crefeld is Israeli. That is a simple fact. You can't spin it that he is "Anglo-Saxon", however convenient that may be for you.
You post, "In 2 months the WDF eliminated 150000 Italians (of whom 90 % was taken POW ) against a loss of 2000 men ;for the enemies of what is Italian this is a proof that the Italians were doing poorly in WWII." Yup.
Are you trying to spin the Italian performance on this occasion as a draw, like Monty Python's armless and legless Black Knight?
You post, "The Dutch army lost 200000 men in 5 days (almost all POWs) in May 1940.
The Belgian army lost almost 600000 POWs in 18 days in May 1940 .
This is not used as a proof that the Dutch, Belgians were doing poorly in WWII.
In the Malayan campaign Britain lost 150000 men (90 % POWs) : did Britain do poorly in WWII?" Yup, yup and yup, these are all examples of "doing poorly" and, like for the Italians, there are often explanations for this.
No, less than half the Germans trapped inside Stalingrad survived to surrender. If I remember correctly, about 230,000 were trapped inside the Stalingrad pocket and only about 92,000 went into captivity.
And, NO : the examples I have given are NOT proofs of doing poorly .
An other example of anti Italian bias is the reaction on the Italian DOW on June 10 1940 : jackal, hitting a man who was on the ground .
The Italian DOW was a very logical act :you do not attack some one who is winning or undefeated ,FDR should be the first to remain silent .
Besides : when Turkey declared war on a defeated Germany, no one said that this was a cowardly attack .